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I don't think the age thing is as big of a deal for the NBA as people make it out to be. NBA rookies only get 3-year deals, and players move around a ton in free agency. If McGary was drafted outside the lottery, no one would be expecting him to develop into a franchise player.
Lol ok well I can certainly provide some info obtained via scouts and NBA GMs.
Chad Ford for example, I'll paraphrase his most recent article:
-Gary Harris is zooming up draft boards and could be a top ten pick. Highest riser on draft boards of anyone in NCAA right now.
-Burke is a potential lottery pick
-THJ is a borderline first/second
-GR3 has serious consideration for being a first round pick.
-Payne has been skyrocketing up boards with his athletic ability, size and new found jumper.
-Dawson is on many NBA GM's top 30 and is also rising.
This post was edited by Punisher99 17 months ago
About GRIII, athletic freak to 99% of fans just means hops. GRIII has some very good hops, but that doesn't make him an athletic freak. He's a good athlete, but he's more of a stiff player than one who flows. He has trouble creating his own shot at all and is not strong with the ball, he's not all that strong over all. His lateral quickness is also lacking. Robinson can no doubt jump higher than Gary Harris, but I think Harris is a better overall athlete than Robinson is. He's quicker, more fluid, and stronger, he also has a more pure shot IMO.
People throw around the word athletic freak far too often. Even Brandon Dawson, who I think is more athletic overall than GRII, is not an athletic freak in the NBA. Dawson has the athleticism and body necessary to play the 2 or 3 in the NBA, but he wouldn't be one of the better athletes on most NBA teams much less a freak. Payne is not an athletic freak either, what he is a very good college athlete to playing at 6-10, that 7-4 wingspan makes him elite in that regard.
As far as Nix, he just doesn;t have the athletic ability to play in the NBA IMO.
This post was edited by Johnny2x2x 17 months ago
It seems like most NBA scouts and GM's disagree.
Dawson and Robinson are both incredibly athletic
Already laying the tracks for the "This team would have won the national title if" argument
Yup. How is he going to perform when scouts tell him to take some 18-20 foot jumpers during a workout? That's really going to be the key. His shooting mechanics are poor and he has shown zero consistency with his jumper and even his willingness to take jumpers in his time here. Athletically gifted, but so are 90% of NBA players.
A jumper is the easiest thing in basketball to teach/develop. You can't teach the kind of athletic ability he has.
Move along now punisher.. Adults are talking.
Take an average NBA team, say the Detroit Pistons, neither of these guys would be in the top 2 of athleticism on the Pistons. Corey Maggette is the best athlete on that team even at his age. Brandon Knight would be number 2. Dawson and Robinson would be around Rodney Stuckey for 3-5. Kim English is pretty athletic too.
Neither of these guys are elite athletes at the next level, very few college players are. Victor Oladipo would be an example of someone who will be an elite athlete in the NBA, but even he I wouldn't say he'd be a top 10 athlete in the NBA.
When someone says athletic freak, I think of a hand full of players in whatever sport. NFL Calvin Johnson, Patrick Peterson etc. NBA, Lebron James, Russell Westbrook etc. We haven;t had more than a few athletic freaks at MSU, TJ Duckett and Shannon Brown are 2 I can think of. Just think the word freak is handed out way too often.
Chad Ford is exactly what I am talking about when I say NBA analysts (not scout) are in business to drive advertising revenue. Of course they are going to report that Tim Hardaway is a borderline first rounder, or that Brandon Dawson is a top 30 player. Then people who follow those teams or college hoops will click on the link and read the article. No one would click on a link to read about the 7'1" Brazillian that they have never heard of who really is a 1st round pick.
Either way, we can agree to disagree for now. In the end, if any of said players are good enough, they will be drafted and hopefully have long NBA careers.
Richardson is the best athlete to come through the hoops program in the Izzo era.
Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.
Except NBA coaches don't really want to teach and develop jumpers to first round picks and GMs aren't going to draft a 6'6 guy without any resemblance of a jump shot.
Maybe at "Magic the Gathering" or something.
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It's not unprecedented that a strong, athletic wing would get drafted without a jumper, but that player needs to have some other elite skills. Could Dawson have Tony Allen's career?
Hard to argue with Richardson, but Shannon Brown is right there. Take a minute and do a search for Shannon Brown highlight video. His NBA stuff is just insane, especially with the Lakers.
easier than the layup?
It's going to be a long week.
I might take Stauskas over Dawson solely for his 3 point shot. Not intended to knovk Dawson but this team would be deadly with his shooting. Other than that agree completely.
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Take a look at Stauskas' 3pfg % in conference play. Not great. And that's the best thing he does.
You mean...you DON'T think that 20% of this year's 1st round will consist of players from 2 schools in Michigan??
Yeah I would say Richardson is the more creative/better dunk contest dunker but some of the things Shannon Brown has done in actual games in the league are just silly
To be fair to Stauskus I think he started out hot because he wasn't regularly playing aginst guys that were more ahtletic than him. Couple that and the fact that he's a freshman who has averaged 31.5 minutes a game and they're in their 28th game and he is dead tired. Derrick Nix and Brandon Dawson average about 27 minutes a game and Michigan gave 31.5 and 33 minutes a game to Stauskus and Robinson this year. Gary Harris gets 29 minutes a game, but he missed a few games early too, I think his legs are fresher, that's why he's shooting it better from 3 point land than anyone else besides Hulls in the B1G right now.
Heck, Keith Appling is wearing down with 33.6 minutes a game, how do you think the smaller Burke is feeling with 35 minutes a game and being the only one who has the ball for Michigan 90% of the time? How about the 34+ minutes a game Hardaway is getting. And those numbers are with so many blowouts early, I would guess Burke and Hardaway hae avaraged close to 38-39 minutes a game in the last several weeks.
Fatigue is a factor over the course of a season, and just like last year, Michigan's players are looking like they are tired. You saw it with Appling when Trice was out, not necessarily in those games Trice missed, but in later games he just has looked worn down. Full seasons are a grind.
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Cracks me up that 2 weeks ago Dawson was being talked about as a potential first rounder on this board and now he's a bum. I think RCMB'ers need some Prozac.
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