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So only faculty and students are allowed to park there? And is this only a problem for these parking meters, or is this the law for all parking meters throughout campus?
This post was edited by TheGreenMist 14 months ago
Whatever job you choose, the employer will be lucky to have you. Show them your original post (along with the meter pic) and I'm sure you will advance through the ranks swiftly. you may even get a corner office. Noble work indeed.
I've been looking through MSU and East Lansing ordinances, and I don't see anything regarding broken meter policy. Can one of the folks adamant about it being no-parking link me to the ordinance?
I feel bad for the law student that thinks that this exact issue has not been challenged and upheld in a 54B courtroom before.
A picture of me taken at my last MSU football game as a student after 4 years makes me a douche, cool theory bro.
And if you think I am getting anything other than enjoyment out of making you look like a fool you are even more clueless than I imagined.
This post was edited by J_LaP 14 months ago
Weird how much I can gather from an avatar. Kinda like determining someone's career success based off a message board post.
Know what else is weird? I am getting enjoyment out of seeing how mad you are that you would wish something bad on someone based on a post on a forum.
This post was edited by GreenAllDay 14 months ago
Let's see if we can get Forbin to open up the RCMB paypal again to get this guy his $15.
A big "lol" at all the downvotes. I can only assume these are not people who ever had a car on or near campus. The parking situation at MSU is atrocious. I've seen people like Tom Izzo and Adreian Payne get ticketed for parking at the Breslin Center, seen professors get ticketed for leaving their car for five minutes to run into their office for papers, etc.
Anyone bitching about "suck it up, you parked illegally" has no idea that it is impossible to do otherwise on MSU's campus. The parking situation is abominable, and the administration keeps it that way in order to flay more money off the college students who have no choice but to risk a ticket in order to conduct everyday business on campus. I never thought much of it until I visited places like Ann Arbor or even Mt. Pleasant, where I was shocked at how easy and cheap parking was. Shell out five bucks and you have parking for a few days. In East Lansing, the parking lots are few and far between, incredibly small, and have strange hours / limits / regulations that force one to be an expert in parking law to determine whether or not it's safe for a ten minute excursion to CVS.
In summary, downvote away, grandpas of the RCMB. He may have parked illegally, but the options for parking on campus are atrocious, and the Parking Gestapo has a special spot in hell reserved for its toadies.
Hundreds of meters are also located on campus for visitor use. When parking at a meter, note the maximum time and hours of operation printed on the meterhead. As a reminder, campus meters register only United States coins. A failed meter is considered a no-parking zone.
Parking meters provide the most traditional, short term, close-in parking at MSU. Generally, meter timing is set to provide rapid turnover so that as many visitors as possible may use that space during the course of a business day. The rates in duration of each meter is posted on that meter. Times and schedules vary; please check the meter before you walk away. There are over 650 meters on campus, many located in residence hall loops. If you "feed" the meter and it malfunctions, do NOT park there, you may receive a parking violation. Malfunctioning meters are NO PARKING ZONES.
Doesn't specifically reference the broken meter portion, but I can imagine that a judge would say that this applies. The OP allowed his vehicle to be in the parking space without placing a coin of proper denomination in the meter and allowed it to be parked in the space without lawful time being shown on the meter. I am also guessing that the meter itself has some form of warning about parking when there is a fail or crossed off P flashing, so it would be in violation of the said regulations of the meter.
Sec. 44-545. - Metered parking lots and on-street metered parking.
In parking lots and in metered spaces on any street of the system where parking charges are collected by means of parking meters installed adjacent to the parking spaces, no person shall:
Park a motor vehicle in any metered space without placing a United States coin of proper denomination in the meter in accordance with the regulations posted on said meters during the hours the said regulations require the payment of parking charges.
Permit a motor vehicle in his/her custody, or owned by him/her, to remain in any metered zone except while lawful parking time appears on the meter regulating the space occupied by such motor vehicle.
Deface, injure, open, or tamper with any parking meter installed on any such parking lot, except as authorized by the city manager.
A person who violates subsections (a)(1) and (2) of this section is responsible for a civil infraction and subject to a civil fine not to exceed $100.00 plus costs assessed by the court.
Then do something about it.
What do you think this thread is?
Should I instead mimic Bane and take over the capitol?
See also, Student Parking and Driving Regulations: No. 54, J.2.B at p. 6 (Effective July 1, 2012).
"The following are example ordinance violations: . . . . Parking at failed meters (no parking zone)."
See also, Board of Trustee's Ordinances, Parking, Metered Parking Zones, 31.101.
"When parking meters are erected adjacent to a space marked for parking, such space shall be a metered parking zone and no person shall stop a vehicle in any such zone for a period of time longer than designated on said parking meters upon the deposit of a coin of the United States currency of the denomination designated on said meters, except government-owned vehicles shall be exempt from the payment of the meter fee."
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This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Mr Pagoda176332 14 months ago
1) An anonymous thread on an athletic-based message board usually the route to go when trying to amend laws.
2) Fighting the ticket claiming ignorance is also not going to get anything changed.
I made a suggestion earlier in the thread about something you could get started on to prove that the general public doesn't know what the law is or that the meter is now clear on how to handle these situations. How is that going? You also didn't answer my honest question about the parking situation in this particular lot proving that students are specifically targeted.
So now the issue is that the ticket was $25 instead of $10?
Nice subtle backpedal there.
No shit. It will help me gauge what people think about it.
but obviously a ton of people here just think the parking department can do no wrong.
If you are actually in law school, you really are pretty screwed if this is your mentality. If you were trying to perform an unbiased questionnaire, you should have shown a picture of the meter and asked whether or not it was legal to park there. Instead you set your position from even the thread title which immediately throws you into the basket that you didn't follow the law and you're upset because you got caught. Nothing about this thread goes to establishing a reasonable person standard.
Your time clearly isn't worth very much if you find it worth your while to fight it.
"Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson
The problem is, most of the people on here are eager to jump all over what they regard as entitled college students. Things were so much better back in their day, kids didn't complain as much, etc.
The issue they're missing is that the parking situation on campus is truly horrible. East Lansing needs to address the issue. Not only can people not visit the town for a weekend without a fine and probably a tow, but if anyone tries, it throws the whole parking balance out of order in a domino effect that ends with hundreds of dollars for the MSUPD.
From their perspective, why change it? Everyone wins but the students, and who gives a damn about them?
MSU is making a legitimate effort to curb the amount of vehicles on campus. It's no secret. They want more people to live on campus. The more lots they build, the easier it is for kids to drive in from Chandler Crossing and the likes and the more congested it gets on campus (it's already congested as hell). It's the reason why places like the corner of Harrison and Shaw by Breslin were just left to be green spaces instead of bulldozed into 300 spot parking lots.
The East Lansing argument is bullshit. If you know how to drive a vehicle you know how to access and use a god damn parking ramp. There are like four right in downtown East Lansing and several lots with several dozen parking spots. MSU could have double the amount of people and there would still be spots available at any part of the day in these ramps/lots. In addition, MSU makes nothing off of PACE, which handles the parking off campus, so the East Lansing parking argument is absolutely bogus. They just built a huge new ramp within the last six or seven years above Buffalo Wild Wings and I've heard that they are putting another smaller one in by Brody.
You know there are CVS stores not in downtown East Lansing, right? Drive out to Eastwood or to the Meridian Mall if you don't want to deal with the deplorable parking situation in East Lansing.
I love how acting like a lawyer on a forum is now necessary or else you would make a terrible lawyer. Hilarious.
Obviously, I am going to be biased. I am one student who just got a ticket and has received multiple through his years due to unfairness. I hate to break it to you, but all laws are not just and fair. This is a forum, not a courtroom.
At least some people could discuss it without telling me I should change jobs. And helped me to see the other side.
I've probably responded saying the OP is an idiot more than anyone else, and I received a metric fuck-tonne of parking tickets at MSU. The difference, I didn't fucking cry about it like a baby, I just paid the fine and got on with my life.
So you have no balls. Good to know.
OK, How long should people be allowed to park illegally then before being ticketed then?
As for your other complaints:
A. Lack of parking? I happen to favor green space over parking lots on campus, and think more people - especially students - should be walking/biking taking the bus on-campus rather than driving to class.
B. Parking costs too much? Probably because there isn't much of it. It's also dirt cheap by big city standards. I just paid $37 to park downtown Chicago for less than 2 hours to attend a meeting.
C. MSUPD aggressively enforces parking regulations? Yes, but for the most part they only do this on cars that are illegally parked. Instances of cars being wrongfully ticketed (i.e. legally parked) are quite rare. Solution? Don't park illegally.
People act like it's some kind of constitutional right to be able to drive and park on-campus. It isn't.
The big problem with your perspective is you're assuming that everyone here agrees with the parking process and enforcement. Just because everyone here is defending what the law is, it doesn't mean that people wouldn't like to see it changed. It's called the real world. If things were done just by emotional responses like this, everything would be chaos. You see, when people get older, they tend to become more reasonable and logical about approaching issues and those resolutions. What the OP has done is neither reasonable nor logical. If this is such a big issue to you, then do something about it outside of tRCMB or deal with it. To the rest of the people here, though they may not agree with the law, nobody feels it's worth their time to pursue.
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