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I think we shouldn't confuse somebody who thinks methodically with somebody who thinks logically. A person who thinks logically doesn't do something like this in the first place. Just because a person can plan out a mass shooting doesn't mean that they automatically are going to be deterred because the people they're planning to attack also have guns.
This guy knew that his own mother had guns and was trained to use those guns, but he was still able to kill her. She was a gun owner, she could legally buy guns and did, she went to the shooting range so she knew what it felt like to fire a gun. She was no novice when it came to guns. She had more than just a pistol she carried in her purse. She had a freaking assault rifle. But none of the guns she owned saved her life did they?
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Mr_Spartan 16 months ago
Hey genius, nobody is saying that we can prevent all murder. The point is, my wife is a teacher and I'd feel a hell of a lot better if she had access to a gun to defend herself and her students instead of hoping that a sign on the front of the building that says "weapons free zones" will deter people from shooting up the school.
Bottom line is, there are 2 options, Ban all guns (which will never happen) or empower our teachers to defend themselves and their students.
Soccer moms with Glocks? No thanks
Welp, I guess it's time to just give up, lube up, and bend over. The criminals have already won.
Why not? Why not train them to use guns? Keep the guns in safes in the classroom that can only be opened by the individual teacher's finger prints. If someone tries to open the safe, the authorities are alerted.
99.9% of teachers would never have to use them and I doubt anyone would come storming into a school if they knew every classroom had a gun.
My point is, it's BS that my wife or child would be a sitting duck in a classroom while some psycho is running around the school murdering defenseless and helpless teachers and children.
This post was edited by Ogie Ogilthorpe 16 months ago
mouthbreathers say solution to problem is to arm teachers
We've got depth. We've got numbers.
Hey genius nobody is saying ban all guns either (I'm not). You gun lovers just don't get it. Always seeing everything in black and white. All or nothing. Tell my how Nancy Lanza (a teacher and a gun owner) life was saved because she had guns. Please enlighten me on how she was able to protect herself from her gunman (a.k.a. her son). The gunman like Adam Lanza knows he's going to the school to kill. The teachers don't. What the teachers have to carry the gun on their bodies while they're at the blackboard teaching the ABCs? I think the kids would be a little distracted. "I want to play with that at recess." I know that's what I'd be thinking if I was 6 years old. I highly doubt a gunman that pops into a classroom carrying 3 guns (one of which an assault rifle) is just going to politely wait for the teacher to go over to her desk to pull out her gun so they can have a duel like some old John Wayne movie. Get real.
It's not the "law abiding" gun owners I'm worried about. I'm not worried about you all (well some of you I am). I'm worried about the OTHER people in the "law abiding" gun owners life. I'm worried about the people they come in contact with who may not all be as "law abiding" or mentally healthy as the gun owner is. I'm worried about the family members, friends, co-workers, neighbors, etc. I'm worried about everybody ELSE who has access to that gun owner who that gun owner trusts. I'm worried about the gun owner's kid who fits the profile of a Eric Harris or Seung-Hui Cho. I'm worried about the gun owner who is responsible except when she takes her child (who she knows has mental problems) to a gun range and keeps those guns in the same house as that child who has mental problems. I'm worried about the gun owner that goes on vacation or is away at work and their house is robbed and their gun(s) and ammo is stolen. Then the gun(s) is bought on the streets illegally and is used to kill people in a drive by shooting for example. It's not YOU I'm necessarily worried about. It's the people around you that aren't the gun's owner so therefor not getting the background check that I'm worried about. Because those seem to be the people that keep doing this shit. Not always the gun owner themselves but the people around them.
I'd still like to know how Nancy Lanza's guns saved her life.
if she had been allowed to carry her ar-15, she could've shot her son before he shot her
use your head man
Teachers with guns is not the answer.
In an environment with children you would only want the most proficient of people with firearms. The best of the best.
The only question is how many police officers you need per X number of students. A steep tax on firearms and ammunition could cover the cost.
What gunman is going to give the teacher enough time to walk over to the safe, place their finger on the keypad, let them reach into the safe, let them pull the gun out, point the gun at them (the gunman) and them let them shoot the gun? The teacher would have to have some advanced warning to have the extra seconds he or she needs to do all that. They're not always going to have advanced warning.
I remember my preschool teacher. She was a nice old lady but she wasn't the fastest person and she wore bifocal glasses and she had arthritis I'm pretty sure. I don't think she would've won any gun fights with a heavily armed 20 year old man in body armor.
She was killed in their home not at the school.
Read a newspaper man.
This post was edited by Mr_Spartan 16 months ago
thanks for the advice - but I don't really want to read / see / hear more about this
hopefully they will ban the assault rifles and I won't have to
What does this mean? It's the only theater that wouldn't allow patrons to open carry? How would the theater prevent anyone from concealing a gun and bringing it in?
I am gravely disappointed. Again you have made me unleash my dogs of war.
Either way, she was armed with and trained in the use of firearms. They did not save her. Additionally, her negligence contributed to the death of 26 individuals.
You're failing to understand a few things.
If someone is going to ambush a school with guns, they're going to kill people. You're absolutely right, the first room he walks into will be totally defenseless. HOWEVER, after he fires the first shot, every other classroom will have at least a chance of surviving, because the teachers will have time to lock their doors and grab the guns out of a gun safe.
You're also failing to realize that these sick fucks go to places like schools, because they will be the only one there with a gun! If you trained teachers how to use a gun then it could help in preventing these a-holes from even considering going to the school in the first place. How many times have you heard of someone walking into a gun store or a police station and opening fire? I remember hearing about 1 situation in my life time.
You're whole argument about the kid's mom is redicoulous. No one can ever stop someone from planning and killing an unsuspecting person, but we can do, is empower more people to defend themselves.
I realize that when you first hear this idea, it sounds radical, but something needs to happen to protect these kids and these teachers. We need to change the thought process on how we are trying to prevent these things from happening.
I'm not sure giving teachers guns is the answer. I do like the idea of letting them have one if they want, however. I think a better idea is to have police officers or experienced guards at the schools.
Until we have mandatory, regular psychological assessments required for firearm ownership, there should not be firearms in the classroom.
We'd be setting ourselves up for the teacher shooting up the classroom on a bad day scenario.
By the logical progression of your idea, the next step is to require the children to carry guns to school.
A firearm is an offensive weapon first.
Police officers would be ideal and hopefully that would deter people from considering ever attempting, but how hard would it be to ambush 1 cop? I'd definitely want 2 or 3 at every school.
Hopefully, that would be enough, but there have been cases of 2 of multiple shooters.
+1. Lock the thread.
I think we all know the only real solution is building two concentric rings of 12-foot chain-link fence topped with razor wire and guard towers with overlapping lines of sight around every school in America.
That's an illogical progression. No one here said anything about giving kids guns except you.
Why haven't we seen cops shooting innocent civilians when their having a bad day?
I agree with the first part of your statement though.
An unarmed Army National Guardsman was pulled over on a Queens road and fatally shot by an elite NYPD officer yesterday s friend called a case...
A Houston police officer shot and killed a schizophrenic, wheelchair-bound double amputee threatening people with a pen, police said.
Milton Hall was shot and killed about 20 minutes after Saginaw police received a report from a store clerk reporting that Hall, 49, had spit at her and left without paying for a cup of coffee.
Kind of sad that innocent adults and children being murdered is funny to you. Big man to make light of the situation.
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