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Mike Brown ?

  • Sports Mechanic said... (original post)

    Let's see. This "Hall of Fame" coach spent 32 years in the NBA as a head coach, where he won 53 percent of his games. To me, that is enough of a sample size to label Lenny Wilkens a mediocre coach.

    That Hall of Fame nomination was more of a Lifetime Achievement Award given that he had won (and lost) the most games as a coach.

    I'm willing to bet that if Carlisle and Thibodeau are insane enough to coach for 32 years, they will have won more games and titles than Wilkens.

    A 53 percent winning percentage over 32 years. That is not good. If you think that is impressive, then you have low standards.

    Keep showing off how stupid you are.

    http://www.nba.com/history/top_10_coaches.html

    Top 10 coaches of all time as voted on by the members of the media who regularly cover the NBA:

    In alphabetical order:
    Red Auerbach
    Chuck Daly
    Bill Fitch
    Red Holtzman
    Phil Jackson
    John Kudla
    Don Nelson
    Jack Ramsey
    Pat Riley
    Lenny Wilkens

    But no, according to you, he sucks and a guy who is in his first year is a better coach than him.

  • WBill19542 said... (original post)

    Isn't motivating your franchise player the most important role of an NBA coach ?.

    Please. These are professional basketball players. If they can't motivate themselves, they're hopeless. How is Mike Brown supposed to get LeBron fired up when LeBron knows he's just buying time until he assembles the "Big 3?"

    "RCMB: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainry." - some dude from MgoBlog

  • JEK said... (original post)

    Please. These are professional basketball players. If they can't motivate themselves, they're hopeless. How is Mike Brown supposed to get LeBron fired up when LeBron knows he's just buying time until he assembles the "Big 3?"

    As Chuck Daly always said, "its a players league". You don't win with X's and O's but with the most talented players maximizing their talent. That is the most important role of an NBA coach. If Mike Brown can't get Lebron to play his best, he failed in his job.

    This post was edited by WBill19542 3 years ago

  • Spartan Punk said... (original post)

    Keep showing off how stupid you are.

    http://www.nba.com/history/top_10_coaches.html

    Top 10 coaches of all time as voted on by the members of the media who regularly cover the NBA:

    In alphabetical order:
    Red Auerbach
    Chuck Daly
    Bill Fitch
    Red Holtzman
    Phil Jackson
    John Kudla
    Don Nelson
    Jack Ramsey
    Pat Riley
    Lenny Wilkens

    But no, according to you, he sucks and a guy who is in his first year is a better coach than him.

    Yes - I think he sucks. Just because someone is in the "sports media" does not mean I have to consider them omnipotent. We rip on people who cover college football full-time with how they rank teams in the polls or who they select to all-conference or all-star teams. Some of these types who are on the same level as your precious NBA media vote Notre Dame in the top 15 every year just because they are Notre Dame. Yet some people on the RCMB can offer thoughtful analysis and counterpoints.

    How many times do people rip on the baseball hall of fame voters? A lot. And these are the people most closely associated with the game.

    The sole reason Wilkens made such a list is because he at the time won the most games, strictly on being a re-tread and miraculously having longevity. He has the most losses and a 53 percent career winning percentage.

    So you think that a coach who in essence goes 43-39 every year is a fantastic coach. Is a college football coach who goes 7-6 every year for 32 years a great coach? He would have 224 wins and be up there on an all-time list purely on longevity.

    As Chris Webber once said, "You're making youreself look very asinine right now."

  • WBill19542 said... (original post)

    As Chuck Daly always said, "its a players league". You don't win with X's and O's but with the most talented players maximizing their talent. That is the most important role of an NBA coach. If Mike Brown can't get Lebron to play his best, he failed in his job.

    Under "normal" circumstances I agree. But when LeBron is literally months away from bailing out of town I don't think there's much Mike Brown can do, or Chuck Daly, or Phil Jackson, etc.

    And Mike Brown did have his other players "maximizing" their talents. Guys like Ilgauskus and Varejao were pretty much playing at their peak. Problem is, even at their best, they still weren't that good.

    This post was edited by JEK 3 years ago

    "RCMB: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainry." - some dude from MgoBlog

  • Sports Mechanic said... (original post)

    Yes - I think he sucks. Just because someone is in the "sports media" does not mean I have to consider them omnipotent. We rip on people who cover college football full-time with how they rank teams in the polls or who they select to all-conference or all-star teams. Some of these types who are on the same level as your precious NBA media vote Notre Dame in the top 15 every year just because they are Notre Dame. Yet some people on the RCMB can offer thoughtful analysis and counterpoints.

    How many times do people rip on the baseball hall of fame voters? A lot. And these are the people most closely associated with the game.

    The sole reason Wilkens made such a list is because he at the time won the most games, strictly on being a re-tread and miraculously having longevity. He has the most losses and a 53 percent career winning percentage.

    So you think that a coach who in essence goes 43-39 every year is a fantastic coach. Is a college football coach who goes 7-6 every year for 32 years a great coach? He would have 224 wins and be up there on an all-time list purely on longevity.

    As Chris Webber once said, "You're making youreself look very asinine right now."

    You say Tom Thibodeau and Rick Carlisle are better coaches than Lenny Wilkens and then say that I look very asinine right now. Can you really be this dumb or is it some kind of act?

  • Spartan Punk said... (original post)

    Keep showing off how stupid you are.

    http://www.nba.com/history/top_10_coaches.html

    Top 10 coaches of all time as voted on by the members of the media who regularly cover the NBA:

    In alphabetical order:
    Red Auerbach
    Chuck Daly
    Bill Fitch
    Red Holtzman
    Phil Jackson
    John Kudla
    Don Nelson
    Jack Ramsey
    Pat Riley
    Lenny Wilkens

    But no, according to you, he sucks and a guy who is in his first year is a better coach than him.

    And another thing Punk. The "great" Lenny Wilkens has a poor win-loss record in the playoffs. If you think a 53 percent winning percentage is fricking fantastic, what do you think of a 44 percent winning percentage is in the playoffs?

    And in his last 10 playoff appearances as a coach, he failed to achieve an overall winning record in each of those ten years. But by golly, we need to worship at the altar of St. Lenny and sacrifice a goat to pay homage.

    This post was edited by Sports Mechanic 3 years ago

  • Spartan Punk said... (original post)

    You say Tom Thibodeau and Rick Carlisle are better coaches than Lenny Wilkens and then say that I look very asinine right now. Can you really be this dumb or is it some kind of act?

    Thibodeau has done something in his first year that Lenny Wilkens was never able to do in 32 years as a coach. Win 60 or more games in a season. Lenny's best was 57.

    Maybe Thibodeau will become another Don Cheney or PJ Carlesimo. But I'm willing to take a chance on Thibodeau than a career re-tread like Wilkens.

    Carlisle has been a head coach for 9 seasons, and has won around 62-63 percent of his games. That is a large enough sample size to tell me he is a very good NBA coach, as he has done solid work with many different teams. Once he hits 1000 games coached, he'll qualify for top 10 all-time in terms of winning percentage.

    So Punk. Why are you satisfied with mediocrity?

  • Sports Mechanic said... (original post)

    Thibodeau has done something in his first year that Lenny Wilkens was never able to do in 32 years as a coach. Win 60 or more games in a season. Lenny's best was 57.

    Maybe Thibodeau will become another Don Cheney or PJ Carlesimo. But I'm willing to take a chance on Thibodeau than a career re-tread like Wilkens.

    Carlisle has been a head coach for 9 seasons, and has won around 62-63 percent of his games. That is a large enough sample size to tell me he is a very good NBA coach, as he has done solid work with many different teams. Once he hits 1000 games coached, he'll qualify for top 10 all-time in terms of winning percentage.

    So Punk. Why are you satisfied with mediocrity?

    Mark Dantonio was 18-17 when MSU hired him. Why were we so satisfied with mediocrity when we hired him?

    Carllisle is a good coach, never said he wasn't. Thibodeau may be a good coach, never said he wasn't. I only said those 2 would be the worst NBA coach to win a title. Same thing you said about Erik Spoelstra, as if you thought that was some kind of jab at him. When only 26 coaches out of how ever many NBA coaches there have been (somewhere between 500-1000) have won an NBA championship, saying someone would be the worst isn't much of a put down.

    Calling Wilkens a career re-tread shows how little you know about basketball.

  • WBill19542 said... (original post)

    Eddie, Sports, and Duffy---all spawns of OWO. Congrats you delusional freaks!

    So you think Brown was a legit candidate for Monty's job and we're delusional freaks? Gotcha.

  • Spartan Punk said... (original post)

    Mark Dantonio was 18-17 when MSU hired him. Why were we so satisfied with mediocrity when we hired him?

    Carllisle is a good coach, never said he wasn't. Thibodeau may be a good coach, never said he wasn't. I only said those 2 would be the worst NBA coach to win a title. Same thing you said about Erik Spoelstra, as if you thought that was some kind of jab at him. When only 26 coaches out of how ever many NBA coaches there have been (somewhere between 500-1000) have won an NBA championship, saying someone would be the worst isn't much of a put down.

    Calling Wilkens a career re-tread shows how little you know about basketball.

    Poor comparison. Cincinnati was a piss-poor program when Dantonio got there. He raised the level of that program. In essence, he was able to make a chicken salad from chicken shit.

    I was a big Turner Gill supporter based on what he did at Buffalo. He took the absolute worst D-1 program in college football and led them to a conference championship. In those situations, you have to look beyond the win-loss records.

    Wilkens had 32 years as a coach. He never won more than 60 games in a season, has the most losses as a coach, has a poor playoff winning percentage, and in fact, hadn't won more games that he lost as a coach in his last ten playoff appearances.

    I just expect more from St. Lenny if he is as much of a coaching deity as you make him out to be.

  • WBill19542 said... (original post)

    Have you been reading his posts? Dude HAS to be that dumb! I litterally threw him a bone to bail, and tell us it's a joke, but he went on w/ the nonsense!

    Blanch called me dumb.

    In other news today, Paris Hilton said that Mother Teresa was kind of slutty.

  • WBill19542 said... (original post)

    Cinncy was piss poor b/f Dantonio? Seriously, are you OWO?

    Forgive me oh mighty Blanch. They were a .500 program if that for the ten years before Dantonio got there. Albeit they were in the mighty Conference USA during that time.

    Still, it is a better success rate than what you have with the bar skanks. You are the Eastern Michigan in terms of scoring.

  • WBill19542 said... (original post)

    Did I think that a fired NBA Coach that absolutely no other team wanted at the time, who's coaching philosophy and age made him better suited for the college game, yet lacked experience in that specific area would want to spend a year a two away from the pressure and instead learning the industry besides one of the all-time greats, who also had a successful history of grooming multiple collegiate head coaches, and 1 that even came from the nba, would entertain the idea as a launching pad for his own successful collegiate HC career? Yes, yes I did.

    No do I think that same coach is in the top 2 or 3 coaches in all of basketball all-time? Heavens no! Dude has only been a HC for 1 single team, and had the luxury of coaching the most talented player in the entire world, yet failed to win a championship in that timeframe. This is where I think you all are completely delusional!

    The first paragraph shows your naivete.

    The second paragraph shows your lack of reading comprehension.

  • WBill19542 said... (original post)

    Did I think that a fired NBA Coach that absolutely no other team wanted at the time, who's coaching philosophy and age made him better suited for the college game, yet lacked experience in that specific area would want to spend a year a two away from the pressure and instead learning the industry besides one of the all-time greats, who also had a successful history of grooming multiple collegiate head coaches, and 1 that even came from the nba, would entertain the idea as a launching pad for his own successful collegiate HC career? Yes, yes I did.

    You are really reaching now, dude. Why can't you just admit that the notion of Brown coming to MSU as an assistant coach is ridiculous? Everyone in this thread ( and on this board) is laughing at you. Going all Opti on us and declaring victory only makes you looker dumber. If that is even possible.