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So I watched this movie and have a question for baseball fans. Do the As still apply this type of logic?
yes. while the movie (and book) are interesting, they ignore the greatest part of the A's "success" which was having the big 3 of Zito Mulder and Hudson in their prime. That is conveniently absent from the movie.
Go Bears, Blackhawks, White Sox, and Pioneers.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand
They still go after low cost players to OBP ratio. Brandon Inge being the one exception.
BTW, that is an incredibly well done movie. It is in my top 5 all time movies. I watch it at least once a month.
This post was edited by LoneWolfSparty 21 months ago
moneyball isnt about just going after OBP guys, its finding the stat that is undervalued at the time in the market, and getting those players at cheap. At the time OBP was not viewed as being as important as BA. OBP has become so standard that even mainstream fans and the anti-stats people within baseball have accepted it, to a degree this is also true of OPS, which is becoming more and more common for the average fan, when not that long ago it was a stat that only statheads used/were aware of.
Brandon Inge looks a lot better when another team is paying him for you.
Remind yourself. Nobody built like you, you design yourself.
"Brandon, the Tigers are paying you $5.5 million to play against them. That's what they thought of you...."
This. The A's used to have a decent competitive advantage based on their moneyball tactics. Now that every other team is wise to advanced metrics, it's a lot tougher to find those diamonds in the rough.
tRCMB - Visit at your own risk of being disgusted.
I don't think it was conveniently left out of the movie. All 3 of those pitchers were draft picks of the A's as young pitchers and left in their primes after their initial success. Drafting well is extremely important for the Moneyball philosophy to work. The book touches on this.
BTW, the A's are holding the 2nd Wild Card spot right now and are one of the hottest teams in the AL. So yes, Moneyball is still working for them.
They should hire coach D.
hoke- to alter or manipulate so as to give a deceptively or superficially improved quality or value.
Time for a riddle
If the A's go on a winning streak and no one is there to see it, did it actually happen?
Just watched the movie, very well done!
Oh neat! I just saw Gladiator, it was pretty good.
A lot of people jumping to say "yes they still do" but are forgetting that they paid a ton of money for Brandon McCarthy on the open market last offseason and bought out everyone for the rights to sign Cespedes. They still have a low payroll but, they are bigger players in FA now.
They payed Brandon McCarthy $1 million in 2011 and payed him $4.75 million last year to avoid arbitration.
Just because they backloaded his contract doens't mean it wasn't worth a lot.....
They owe him over 5 this year and then 10.5 in 2014.....
CESPEDES. Next question?
No they don't. He was signed by the Diamondbacks this offseason.
Not as good as Top Gun!
I just saw it in the theater! You should check it out!
Dbacks signed McCarthy (see above), and moneyball does not mean everyone is bought cheap. It's about value, and at $6.5 million last year Céspedes was a hell of a deal. If he hit the open market this year you can bet he would be getting well over the 4 years, $36 million he got from the A's. He was undervalued, but not cheap. These are the types of things small market clubs need to do, find value where other don't, be it risk (like Latin players, in this case Cuban) or finding undervalued statistics (like OBP was, and I think you will see speed be the next OBP since it became heavily undervalued in the PED era). The Reds did the same thing with Aroldis Chapman. His value would be through the roof right now, but instead the Reds got him for $5 million a year over 5 years (plus 3 more arbitration years). Ask anyone now if they would have signed Chapman for 8 years, approx $50 million (with some money spread out til 2020) and you can bet every team in baseball would jump on that.
Many of the small market teams are winning the bidding wars on Latin players because they know that if only 1 of them makes an impact it's a financial win. Yet there is the risk none of them pan out, and the big market teams would rather spend their money on things they consider sure things.
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