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Briggs dropout, because I was a physics major and it was catered specifically to premed. We had some good times in Holmes with the cool people we found, but I guess overall it was a lot of people studying a shit ton. Don't want to turn it into a "who's better"....but...probably more studying time is required and less availability and incentives for social interaction occurs in the premed curriculum/atmosphere than the rigors of poli sci and constitutional democracy majors.
Thats what you get for competing with Michigan. Go forth and dominate.
Didn't care.... Was pre-dental.... Went into PKG.....
College was good to me....
I lived in case for a year,though I knew alot of cool jmc people I knew way more dbags who were in jmc.
As a dual degree in Chem E. and German, I encountered both groups early in my academic career.
Both groups as a collective were arrogant and felt they were superior to you simply because of their college. (JMC kids in the liberal arts classes, LB kids in the 100 and 200 level science classes.) That said, individually, most weren't too bad.
This seems accurate. I got a great education in JMC...well prepared for grad school.
If you want to locate a social misfit here is what you do: 1) Become a Briggs or JMC major and post on the rcmb as you have no social life if that happens.
Keeping the sunshiners in check since 2000.
I hate that I loved being in JMC.
I always thought James Madison was overrated. First of all, it's first-come, first-serve, so it's not like you actually have to be any smarter or more accomplished to be in James Madison. The kids there try to tell you that it's like an "honors Poli Sci school" but... well, it's not, since the Honors College actually has requirements that go above and beyond those of regular students.
Also, my ex gf was in James Madison and got very good grades, but she wasn't exactly the brightest crayon in the box.
Briggs had cuter girls. Fewer downright hotties like the future sorority chicks of Wilson /Wonders, but a lot of cute future doctors.
Plus Briggs didn't go around telling you they thought they heard some magazine rank them right behind Yale.
I was in neither but I did live in Case, and I think the majority of people who didn't do IR(and get awesome jobs) went to shitty law schools and are working as temps. Not all, but most of the ones I know, and it sucks because I do feel bad for them as Spartans
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I am not sure what a double major in economics would have done for you. I was JMC PE....graduated in '96. I was one accounting class short of a double major in econ. Trouble was that I hadn't taken enough math classes (stopped at Calc. I) to seriously pursue an advanced degree in economics.
I wouldn't have traded my experience at James Madison for anything....I believe I received a top rate education. Though I wish I would have taken some computer science classes along the way. I took a different route than most JMC people....I now am a software developer.
You're too old to have been in either college since they were founded in the late 60's but I'm sure you would have fit right with all the arrogant, rude, and aloof people at JMC.
I say that with the greatest respect and my '92 JMC diploma.
Briggs grad here. Didn't do the residence college thing though, stayed off campus.
The course work was good, as a recall. A bit challenging sometimes, relative to non-Briggs courses, but always interesting.
I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.
IR/PE grad from JMC. Worked hard, played hard.
Knew a few people from LB. They were alright.
James Madison taught me pretty quick that I didn't want to be a lawyer or politician. Great school -- sure there were a lotta weirdos -- but that makes it a bit more interesting.
It is because we are all imposters that we endure each other.
-- e.m. cioran
Briggs grad here. I thought it was great, but I don't know enough about JMC to rank one above the other. All I know about JMC is they read lots and wrote lots of papers, that's it.
Briggs grad here (77) Enjoyed the smaller classes, seeing the same people every day and not having to traipse across campus for classes all the time. Did the Computer Science concentration and feel I was as well prepared for after college as if I had gone to the College of Engineering. All in all, a good experience!
They had computers back then?
the premise of this thread is Madisonian.
the best speech wins.
Now if the test was "who can throw poo most like a monkey?" we might have a fight on our hands.
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I spent three years in Holmes Hall, and my initial assigned college was Briggs. Most 100-200 level math and science courses had a Briggs equivalent, and that meant if you scheduled properly, ESPECIALLY WINTER QUARTER, you didn't have to leave your dorm on some days. I changed out of Briggs first term, but my circle of friends were largely Briggsey's. Most of them were nice people. Lots of Very Bright people.
I don't know if they kept this string alive, but Briggs had a nearly 100% success rate getting people into either PreMed or PreVet. It was 100% when I got there in 1973, and one person didn't make it one year so the stat became "nearly 100%". And they got in somewhere the next year. It was a serious leg up if you were PreMed or PreVet, and survived the Briggs curriculum.
There were very few teletypes on campus for taking CPS courses. One location was in the basement of Holmes Hall. You could code and submit your programs from the teletype, as opposed to having to code them on the 80-column manilla cards. Another serious advantage to being in Briggs.
My Blood Runs Green.....
Lyman Briggs because science is way more awesome than whatever politics bullshit goes on in James Madison.
Top of the line Control Data 6500 (I am sure the average laptop/gaming system of today has MUCH more processing power - I know my pc at home has more disk space) Paid for by a grant from the Department of Defense for a high energy physics study. MSU wrote alot of the operating system for the Control Data line. My ex (who I met at Briggs) was a systems programmer at Ford working on a later CDC machine and many of the operating system listings had comments and references to MSU!
(I also was very thankful for being able to do alot of my work from Holmes rather than traipsing across campus to the Computer Center. Once we "borrowed" additional computer accounts, we were able to do the majority of our work online and avoid the keypunch and batch window crud!)
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Briggs grad, now a med student at MSU so I got what I needed out of it. Liked having the smaller classes and feel like I learned the material better than the non-Briggs science majors (by the time you were in the advanced courses like biochemistry and physiology everyone was together). I don't get why there would be any arrogance, as just being in the college doesn't really say anything about you... I'm pretty sure you just said you'd like to be in the college and it was first-come, first-admitted.
I am a Briggs student and the only arrogant students you will ever encounter will be the freshmen who come into MSU with 10+ AP credits and were top of their class in natural science topics. I would joke with my non-Briggs friends b/c I would take a look at their CEM 2 (in the Spring) exam questions and it was stuff that we covered in the 3rd week of the FIRST semester.
I will admit that both JMC and LB both challenge their students much more the first 2yrs than the gen-MSU students in the similar classes. But I can speak for the Briggs aspect that the Physio, MicroBio, and BioChem students that succeed the most in their 400 level classes will be the Lyman Briggs students.
I also hate the stereotype of Briggs students being nearly all nerds. Every year majority of the Briggs students seem to always be energetic and fun. Yes, you will find the few extremely nerdy kids that do fit well with the "Briggsies" stereotype, but you will find about one of those kids for every 20 Briggs students.
James Madison students on the other hand are ALWAYS arrogant! Okay, maybe there is that 1 guy that isn't full of himself out of every 20 JMC students.
A JMC graduates are similar to the stereotype of the Ivy League grads who MUST mention where they graduate before the 2nd sentence of introducing themselves.
Just like JMC, Lyman Briggs will weed out the students who don't want to go to med-school. Just as JMC is geared solely to the pre-law students, Briggs is geared to care only about the Pre-Med students.
You won't be finding the Business, Comm, or KIN students studying a week before an exam like that of a Nat Sci, JMC, or Engineering student would. That is how Holmes Hall is like. They care more about a student's studying habits than adding a dozen TVs to the study lounge like that of Akers, McDonald, and Hubbard!
The thing they didn't tell me when I signed up for Lyman Briggs was that after Chemistry, Calculus, Biology, and HPS courses everything else was through MSU. I signed up assuming that there were LB courses in physiology, biochem, microbiology, and other Natural Science courses.
Conclusion: In my 4.5yrs I have not encountered any arrogant Briggs students that are NOT freshman. It is funny b/c all the arrogant freshman from the year before realize their place and realize they are no longer the top 5% class rank like they were in HS and are now a 3.0 to 3.3 student.
Fact is that on this campus there really are maybe 4 colleges at MSU that are actually well recognized by even UofM grads: Engineering, James Madison, Lyman Briggs, and Nursing. Everything else pretty much brings down the schools rankings in most aspects. Our undergrad Business, Comm, Social Science, Agriculture, and Education are some what of joke classes from what I have heard of friends that are not ever 3.0 ISS and IAH students. Education and Agriculture may be ranked up there as some of the top in the nation from some BS ranking, but the classes themselves are a joke!
Not even close, took classes at both. Briggs all the way. Never had to get up at the crack of dawn and walk all over campus. TA's lived down the hall and were named Rick, Scott and Don vice Lu Ma Dong. Most students are pre-professional students, hell on curves. But ask yourself would you like to hang with, driven, hot chick who wants to be a surgeon and is letting off steam or the chick whose dream job is an aide to senator blah blah. Think grey's anatomy bar scence vs. west wing catfight
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