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Danny Glover is coming to Detroit to speak at a protest, for those interested.
The battle for food justice heats up in Detroit with Danny Glover speaking at a meeting this Saturday organized by Detroiters opposed to the proposed sale of more than 1500 City owned lots to John Hantz. The meeting will be held Saturday, December 8, 2012, 6:00
Can someone educate me as to how this is a "land grab"? Are there other prospective buyers for these city owned lots who are offering more money? Is it the fact that they've consolidated the lots and now there are no bidders except for Hantz?
Did you read the article? Essentially the opponents say Hantz is buying the land with the intention of planting trees on it and then flipping it ten years later for an obscene profit, or building houses on the land. These lots have been owned by the city since the '70s. Hantz is the only person interested in buying the lots, except for a few residents who may want to buy an adjacent lot, and will be given that chance.
Basically, this boils down to the question of whether a city should sell their surplus land to the highest bidder, or put it in a land trust so the residents can "own" it.
Why is this even a discussion?
We live in a free market society and the city of Detroit is broke. If there is an investor who wants to buy the land to plant trees and sell later, LET THEM. (Oh the horror, someone makes a profit!!!)
The city can't afford to keep land for the sake posterity and big government ideology. Sell it to the "highest bidder" (as if that is a bad thing).
Seriously who GAF ? He will have land and destroy abandoned houses ? He will pay taxes on large swaths of land , where is the harm ?
If you go, just don't go Black Face. It's bad taste.
This will only go through if the city council members each get a cut from the sale. Otherwise, anything that could benefit the city will be pissed on by them and never see the light of day again.
I read the news today, oh boy .. ..
About a lucky man who made the grade
Please don't forget the other detail involved with selling this land, He'll pay taxes on it, something that isn't happening now in the BROKE city of Detroit.
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Whoa - let's not get ahead of ourselves. I think we should all wait to see what Danny Glover has to say.
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It is just another attempt by whitey to start a plantation in Detroit
I've read several articles on this subject. I guess I don't see the problem in the city selling the land to Hantz or anybody else. I'm good with Hantz making an "obscene profit" on this, so long as he's paying his property taxes. The city could use every bit of tax revenue it can get, and this will help. If the city had the resources to turn it into a park or some other productive use I could see that, but they don't. In fact, they have trouble keeping their current parks maintained.
Exactly.....Christ..... Those who want something for free - the entitlement, what has the government given me lately crowd - is out of control....
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I originally thought this was a great idea when I had read he was bringing urban farming to Detroit. Now that i have had a chance to get more information on this deal, not sure if I think the same.
From the article. This is not a free deal for the city- Detroit will have to spend $2M dollars to clean up the lots and then they get $300 * 2,000 lots ($600,000). Net cost to city of $1,400,000.
How much tax is Hantz going to pay (if he isnt already negotiating tax breaks) on land sold to him at $300 a lot? I am pretty sure he will get it zoned as agriculture use and use the low price he paid to further lower the taxable value.
I like the idea of the city cleaning up its books and increasing tax revenues by investing in development. Here it seems at the price they are getting why not just give it to community farms that will actually grow crops and sell them to local residents or at the Eastern Market?
The City should offer the land to food co-ops if they in turn agree to cultivate it for actual food production..
The city is not paying two million dollars in cleanup costs. Hantz is footing the bill for all that. The amount of conjecture and misinformation put out there by the opponents of this project is amazing.
I am an insider on this project, and because of the open nature of this message board and the internet in general, I can't go into too great of detail. I will just say that in general, the opponents of the project have gone to great lengths to paint this project as something it's not. I will just say that I know the principal figures in this deal, and it is as simple as one man wanting to better the city he lives in. Given the history of Detroit, and having met Detroit residents, I understand the skepticism. However, for the city of Detroit to move on to bigger and better things, some unorthodox measures will have to be taken. (end rant)
No need to rant and/or downvote.
I stated "from the article" when I mentioned the $2M cleanup footed by the City. If thats not the case then fine. Am not trying to get into an argument with you- I think it would be great if Hantz was actually going to follow up and create an urban farm for food production rather than as the article states- plant trees and sit on it the land as it appreciates.
If he is in fact doing that and this is misinformation then it would be great if his project gets off the ground. Detroit isn't going to get its old manufacturing base back and it is time to rethink where and how the City cleans itself up. One of the best ways is to make the area "self sufficient" as much as it can for food production. The residents complain they have no place to buy groceries and such other than from the party store type places or the burbs.
Create urban farms and co-op groceries across the city and give the residents a chance at taking care of themselves. Get some dairy farming going and we can really make things happen!
The "highest bidder" is still offering much less than market value even in this depressed economy. There have been private residents trying to purchase lots (at fair market value) adjacent to their property for years and the city has not been cooperative. This is not the free market at work.
We agree on all of your points. I was not ranting at you, and I apologize if you took it that way. I also didn't downvote. I will give you a +1 to make up for the poster who did.
My rant was more at the process as a whole. It has been difficult sitting back and seeing something I believe in and have a hand in seeing to completion being dragged through the mud.
Knowing the ins and outs of the agriculture scene in Detroit, don't hold your breath on anything materializing within the next few years. The leadership of the city is still too obstructionist for something like that to go forward at this point. There will always be a big presence from community gardens, because they seem to be the darlings of those in charge. As far as "corporate farming", ain't gonna happen anytime soon. That includes the proposed MSU ag center. Based on my conversations with some people in the know, that thing will be dead before it even arrives. I anticipate as the city gets more comfortable with what agriculture can do for the city, the reigns will start to loosen, but that is a long way down the line. BTW, that article I posted was written by the people who ate leading the rally tomorrow, which is why there was wrong info in there regarding the city cleanup costs. I couldn't find a mainstream publication that covered the story. Could be a reason for that.
What would you say is "fair market value" for this land?
Will someone please give the city council members their bacon already?!
Your a retard.
I'm gettin' too old for this shit.
No problem - no worries here with the votes.
I do know how cities themselves can be obstructionist and a general pain in the ass. Can only imagine what Detroit is like to deal with from a municipal leadership perspective.
The City needs to set high hopes aside of these great manufacturing jobs coming back to the area. They will get a few like the increase in production at the Jefferson plant and others, but in reality there needs to be a new economic wave that takes over the city. I love the concept of urban farming and greening of Detroit.
I heard a little about MSU being involved a while back, and think how better to take advantage of the fact you have a world class agricultural university 90 miles away.
If you are involved in the project I wish you the best of luck in bringing it to fruition. The state will move forward regardless of what happens in Detroit. This area has grown up with a population that thinks of "downtown" as Royal Oak, Birmingham or Ferndale and not really Detroit anymore.
It varies from lot-to-lot, but on average Hantz Farms is offering about 50% of the market value determined by third-party appraisers. As much as the city needs revenue, they cannot afford to sell off all their assets at half-price like a crackhead in a pawn shop.
People like you are always criticizing council for being corrupt and incompetent. Then when an insider deal like this comes along which is clearly short-sighted and irresponsible, you're the first to support their decision and criticize the residents protesting it. It really shows off your ignorance.
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