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You have stated a fact. They've started the process of plucking the golden goose for slaughter.
the future of football:
Not familiar with ratings?
Looks like Armpunt won't have a job after all...
Flag football with a 5 Mississippi pass rush.
I know a lot of people do but I don't know why you would admit it.
hopefully this means they get rid of the stupid
"Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson
Sounds like Goodell may be a fan of South Parks Sarcastaball
haha lol randy marsh :D
one step closer to a 7v7 passing league
This needs to be a 10 page SI article. The NFL appears to be doing "knee-jerk" reactions to these lawsuits - really changing the landscape of football.
They'd still knock the shit out of each other and guys would die on the field. Not a doubt in my mind.
Ray Lewis and James Harrison aren't going to "bring it down a notch". Those cats are wired differently than you and I.
This post was edited by Lunchables 16 months ago
I hope to Christ Goodell was just tossing out ideas and not actually being serious. The 15-yard pass to keep the ball rule would make no sense. What happens on PIs? Refs decide games enough as is. Plus the Lions would never actually get the ball
Put less players on kickoffs. Bring it down to 8 or even 7. That way you can take it to the players union that you legitimately made an attempt to make it safer when players are trying to sue you 15 years from now. Eventually judges are going to stop being on the side of the players with this. You can only do so much to promote safety without devaluing your product and the players are still willingly strapping it up. Would every miner be able to sue? Every oil rig worker? Every fireman? There is a fine line between adherent danger in a job and abusing safety protocol, but I'm not sure the NFL has come close to crossing that line yet and the salaries reward the risk much more than the lines of work I previously mentioned.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Lunchables 16 months ago
There's a lot of misinformation in this thread. First off, the facts: kickoffs are, by percentage, the most dangerous play in football. The reason is simple: you have all 11 players of one team running at full speed before first contact is made. Punts likewise carry some risk of injury, but more often than not, the kicking team will only send 2-3 gunners to cover the punt with the other 7-8 left behind to block, with far fewer collisions than on kickoffs. Factor in the large percentage of punts that end without any contact made whatsoever, and they are a safer play. 4th-and-long situations obviously have an injury risk as well, but it shouldn't be any more or less risky than any standard play
With that said, personally I like the idea. It would cut down on injuries, sure, but I don't really see a huge change in the way the game is played. Schiano's original idea didn't even specify what the line-to-gain or location would be for the play: do a statistical analysis, find what distance has a comparable conversion rate to onside kicks, and give a team a 4th and long from there. For the location, figure out the average net distance of a punt, and place the ball where the average punt return would finish wherever the average kickoff return ends up (somewhere around the 28, I imagine). There'd be slightly fewer return touchdowns, but nothing drastic.
What I really like about the idea is that makes crucial game moments more similar to the rest of the game. Onside kicks are almost entirely decided by luck: replace them with a 4th and long, and suddenly it's the best offensive teams who get that second possession, not the team that won a heavily-weighted coin flip. Similarly, by replacing kickoffs with punts, you're taking two very unique game scenarios and replacing them with just one, simplifying the game. I certainly respect dissent on the idea, but personally I'm a fan.
Rugby also requires players to wrap up the ball carrier below the shoulders during a tackle and you are not supposed to leave your feet. So, you can't shoulder charge or launch into a head-on tackle. Football would be much safer, even if they kept all the equipment, by simply requiring players to wrap up during tackles.
I'm not sure how much lower the concussion rates are in rugby compared to football. I've seen some studies that indicate they are similar. My guess would be that concussions in rugby are often less severe. Although, you will still see players get lit up occasionally. And with no helmets, players will get hit in the head during tackles and rucks from knees, feet, etc.
I am afraid that the whole world is closer to moral foreclosure.
It's the hypocrisy that gets me. If Goodell was truly focused on player safety, the 18 game schedule would've never been floated. If he was truly serious about safety first, the London games would stop now. If he remotely gave a damn about player safety, he would either eliminate the Thursday game altogether or put it in starting around week 4 (end it by week 13) and only a team coming off a bye could play in it.
Oh, no question, Goodell can go f**k himself. I don't care for the Ravens at all, but they absolutely have a legitimate complaint when Reed gets fined for a hit that the Steelers were perfectly okay with, AFTER the Ravens played 4 games in 17 days to start the season. Goodell's certainly only proposing this because he's trying to protect his ass from lawsuits, but that doesn't mean it can't be a good idea.
So if they want to reduce the collisions during kickoff, why not have a rule where the opposing teams have to be within 10 to 20 yards of one another and the receiving team cannot move backwards to block?
I haven't given this much thought, but it was the first to come into mind.
Goodell was a narc in HS.
Even in high school, Goodell enforced a personal-conduct policy. Bronxville High School required athletes to sign a pledge: No drinking or troublemaking, or they'd be booted off the team. The other players knew Goodell would rat them out for misbehaving. "They didn't like to see me come to a party," says Goodell. "I took that pledge seriously."
You can complain about the NFL all you want, but don't bring down one of the greatest sports of all time with it.. Competitive rock-paper-scissors in the USARPS League has a long and storied past that goes all the way back to 2006. If only I were athletic..
give me a % of injuries on kickoffs vs other plays because I can't find one online. not saying your opinion is wrong, just haven't seen an exact number. aren't concussions already down like 40% overall compared to a couple years ago? Don't hold me to that number but I remember reading that number not too long ago.
If not for Bettman, Goodell would be the worst commissioner in sports right now.
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they have basically taken kickoffs out of the game now
it is pretty much touchback after touchback
Damn, I knew someone would call me out on that. Truth be told, I really don't know any statistics or where to find them. But the whole "kickoffs are the most dangerous play in the game" is repeated so bloody often that I've accepted it by fiat. I too would welcome someone finding contrary evidence.
I think getting rid of the wedge is the best thing that was done to prevent injuries. Getting rid of kickoffs all together will turn out to be one of the dumbest decisions ever. Kickoff returns and field position are such momentum shifts in close games. Really don't want to see it happen.
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