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correct......time for Appling and Harris (healthy or not) to step up....Dawson too.
Suton ain't walking through that door...
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This. Wouldn't surprise me if Msu lost in the second round. Down vote away but the team chemistry hasn't been the same since the return of trice.
Keeping the sunshiners in check since 2000.
My Prediction? PAYNE.....
If MSU loses, I doubt it's the second (or third as the NCAA wants to refer to it as) round. Take a look at History.
Tom Izzo's record in the second game of an NCAA tournament weekend: 16-3
The 3 losses:
2003 Elite 8: No. 7 Seed MSU loses 76-85 to No. 1 Seed Texas in San Antonio, Tx
2007 Second Round: No. 9 Seed MSU loses 67-81 to No. 1 Seed UNC in Winston Salem, NC
2009 National Championship Game No. 2 Seed MSU loses 72-89 ti No. 1 Seed UNC in Detroit, Mi
History has shown, that unless Tom Izzo's team loses in the first game of a weekend (i.e round of 64/Sweet 16/Final 4) the odds are he'll win the 2nd game of the turnaround (round of 32/8/NC) unless he runs into a very strong number 1 seed, or a number 1 seed playing in their home state.
It's a testament to his ability to scout and prep for two games better than anyone else, and I'm not about to go against that trend.
And there's something to that about Trice's return...and I got slammed for bringing this up a while ago.
But I don't think it has to do with Chemistry.
I think Appling takes a little while to get into the flow of games. Some players are like this. It take them a little bit to get into the flow, judge the tempo, be challanged, whatever, to get them going.
When Trice came back, Appling, for the most part, was sitting earlier in the games then he had when Trice was out. I think this caused a delay in Appling heating and getting into the tempo or flow of some games.
He uses 4 different stats, ken pom, LMRC out of Georgia Tech. I forget the two others, he also places some weight on how close the team plays to home.
Msu won with valentine and appling. Trice returns and Msu loses. Izzo had to play him to avoid transfer. So he's in a catch 22. Win with valentine and appling or lose to duke or Memphis with trice.
I thought this post was idiotic until I saw tanfan post it; then I KNEW it was idiotic.
I disagree there. Just didn't have time to figure out the rotation. I think we've been fine playing all 3 since basically the Michigan loss.
The Michigan loss, and the OSU loss had nothing to do with Appling/Trice/Val rotation. It was the Indiana/first OSU loss that it hurt. The games where App really struggled. The IU game, Trice only played 6 early minutes, but they were at the wrong time. Again, 11 m v. OSU...again at the wrong time.
V. Michigan, he played 14 minutes...at a different time, and Appling was better...but still figuring out the rotation.
Trice was used as a direct sub for App in all three of those games.
v. Wisconsin: Izzo figured it out. Trice played 19 M...many with Appling. App went of for 19 points and zero turnovers, Trice had 5 points, hit a big 3, 6 steals, 5 rebounds, and 4 assists.
Saw similar lines for both of them v. Northwestern,
v. Iowa (App turned the ball over, and Trice didn't score, but Trice still had 3 assists, and 2 steals in 18 minutes. Both played good D on the Iowa guards...better than the past few games....the Iowa Guards returned the favor by checking our guards really well).
v. OSU, Trice again didn't score, but had a good day with only 1 turnover in 19 min to go along with 3 assists, 2 rebounds, a steal and a block. I think he did a better job v. Craft than App did...but was saddled with a little foul trouble. Despite being frustrated by Craft defensivly, App only turned the ball over once, scored 16.
So like I said...once Izzo figured out the rotation of App/Trice then they both were fine. It was those 3 games right when Trice got back that Trice/App were off.
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Draymond Green, Magic Johnson, and Oscar Robertson are the only players to have two triple-doubles in the NCAA Tournament.
Florida is the new Wisconsin. No matter how many games they lose, the computers love them because they blow out bad teams and run up their stats in those games.
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Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.
I wouldn't call Kansas inconsistent. They had 1 bad week in early Feb. Before that week they went 19-1 and after that week 10-1.
Some real solid analysis there.
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They weren't that great in some of their wins either. They feeded on some crappy Big 12 teams, and played/beat the decent ones in very close games.
Their loss to Baylor and TCU were not in the same week...almost a month apart. Both were terrible losses. They got BLOWN out by Baylor.
I don't think much of OkSt, OU, or Iowa St....and they were their only real competition in the conference season, and they struggled at time v. all 4.
They beat KSU 3 times...and that's commendable, but KSU has some bad juju v. KU....it's like IU v. Wisconsin.
Their big NonCon wins v. OSU, St. Louis, and Temple seem very far away especially after getting blown out by 23 to NIT bound Baylor and losing by 7 to 11 win TCU just sticks in my crawl. It's not like these two game were back to back either...
You really don't know what you are talking about. This team was struggling with Trice out of the lineup. He's still not back to his old self but this is not about team chemistry at least here Trice is concerned.
You call winning close games at Okie St or Tex or Oklahoma a struggle but if MSU wins at Illinois and Wisconsin are you the type of guy to call it a gritty, gutty win? I don't see the difference. Its tough winning conference road games. So they squeaked out a few road wins during conf play. Big deal.
Nate Silver not only started out in baseball; he was a fanatic in baseball stats in particular, and then in statistics.
Yes. Illinois and Wisconsin are better teams than Ok St, Tex, and Oklahoma, in a better league, with better home court advantages. There is a difference.
The original Tweet did not include a link. Nate tweeted the results, then wrote the story. I wanted tRCMB to get the information as soon as possible, so I copied the tweet. Thank you for providing the link to the story.
Link (if it works) contains a very cool interactive feature w/each team's percentage of advancing to a particular round.
Nate Silver is estimating each team’s chance of advancing to any given stage of the N.C.A.A. bracket. View his estimates as a table and read his analysis.
Don't think -- it can only hurt the ballclub
Fair enough. I edited my post to remove the admonishment.
Good work, OP!
Here's the methodology. The analysis piece he wrote on the blog states that it's essentially unchanged from two years ago when they first did predictions:
There are no solid percentages in sports. It's all hearsay and predictions and bullshit. Nobody in their right mind thought NC State would beat Houston in 1983.
What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...
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