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Dr Leo Spaceman....
Says the guy who's never driven a corvette.
Says the guy who is wrong.....
This post was edited by Kingstonlake 15 months ago
I think you use the word toasted very loosely, the viper they tested is the base 100k version. The vette tested is a top of the line zr1. Put in someone who knows how to drive the new viper, it will run circles around the zr1, and look better while doing it. It has a higher top end than the zr1, it just takes some work (by the driver) to harness it. You will see this as time goes on and drivers get use to the viper.
On this episode of Head 2 Head, Jonny Lieberman pits the new 2013 SRT Viper GTS against its domestic rival, the 2012 Corvette ZR1. It's an all American prizefight as Jonny heads north to Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca to hot lap these two monsters with pro race driver Randy Pobst. And of course, no match up between these two contenders would be complete with out a drag race. It's one for the record books as Jonny and Randy find out which car has the bigger "bollocks."
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Great point, cause we're all professional drivers.......
Think I'll tell my buddies to go buy some tour blades for their golf league. Cause pros know how to play them.
The new Viper is a great car and a huge improvement over the old Lego version but it's still crude compared to the ZR1. The Vette is faster and easier to drive. You shouldn't have to be a rally driver to drive a car fast on the track.
I always liked the Viper, never a vette dude. I must admit that's pretty sleek.
The professional driver clocking the vette 2 seconds faster per lap proves this how?
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Kingstonlake 15 months ago
All I am saying is that you are pitting a car that has been driven for the last 8 years against a car that has been driven for two weeks. If you pitted the best driver chosen by chrysler vs the best driver chosen by GM, it probably would be a different story. The vette is easer to drive, but the viper has higher limits that makes the driver work to achieve. Don't be biased based on one review.
I'm not saying you're gay if you don't like the new Vette, but there is a good possibility that there is another man's p**** in your mouth right now.
They have been saying the same thing about the Viper since its inception here and in europe. Big motor, unrefined and not drivable at its limits.
The Vette is a better vehicle. Period.
The bottom line is the Viper is still lacking refinement against the C6 which is an ancient design. Some may like this and I bet the car is an absolute beast and I'd love to drive one but it's a specialty vehicle and a poor everyday driver . The ZR1 Vette can go to the grocery store without any compromises.
Price (as tested) $141,990
Price (as tested) $125,920
Both cars run the 1/4 mile in 11.4 seconds at essentially identical speeds (129 mph)..
The Motor Trend testers said the cars handled identically off-track, and even went so far as to say they had a hard time telling any differences between them. On-track, they (non-professional drivers) describe the Viper as requiring "a lot more work to go fast".
The pro-driver (someone who knows how to drive) complained about brake fade on the Viper halfway through the lap. Also described it as a lot more work to go fast saying that the Vette is better at getting the power down and much easier to control. He clocked the following times at Laguna Seca:
Vette ZR-1: 1:33.70 (production car lap record at Laguna Seca)
2 seconds is a significant gap at Laguna Seca. This guy is a pro driver, he likely did dozens of laps in both cars before clocking those times. I have no doubt that these are the fastest times he could squeeze out of either, regardless of how many more times he does this.
I drove an OG Viper (RT/10) when it first came out in the mid-1990's.
3200 lbs and 400hp. No traction control or drivers aids. "Beast" is a good way to describe that car. The way the power oversteer came on so suddenly and with such force made you think twice about stoplight shenanigans.
The car I drove didn't have A/C, which makes sense I guess because the car also didn't have a roof, windows or even door handles. (The soft top was for storage-only)
It was about 85 degrees the day I drove it and after 30 minutes I couldn't wait to get out. The sidepipes would cook you while driving, then burn the shit out of your legs when you tried to climb over the huge side-sills.
It was definitely a raw, rough, unrefined car but was also insanely fun to drive.
i would never buy one. It's a great car for a friend to buy.
This. First of all the driver in this test was Randy Probst, a decorated professional driver that has won many race series including 24 hours of Daytona. He drove both, was faster in the 6 year old version Vette by 2 seconds (a large margin), and chose it as the better car vs. the brand new Viper.
This is simply unprecedented...the way the sports car industry works, you release cars at odd year intervals as your "rivals", so you can beat their current version performance. Then they design one with newer technology that beats your version, and the process repeats. For the old platform Vette to beat the new platform Viper in ANY meaningful statistic (despite costing less) can't be understated - an incredible engineering feat by GM and very embarassing for SRT (as evidinced by their CEO whining on twitter about it like Taylor Swift).
I love Vipers, I think they are outstanding cars that are globally competitive. However it clearly appears that the old gen ZR1 is a better car....can't wait to see what the new gen ZR1 is able to do.
You guys are comparing apples and oranges.
Part of the Viper charm is that it is a raw and unrefined beast.
The ZR1 is one of the most highly engineered products GM has ever produced.
And thats why the ZR1 outsells the Viper 4-1......
Quite the opposite, actually.
The ZR1 and Viper represent the highest levels of production cars available by two major US automakers.
They are both 2 seater high-powered hard core sports cars with similar power, performance and price.
It doesn't get any more "apples to apples", even if Dodge takes a more "unrefined" approach to their halo car than GM does.
The ZR1 outsells the Viper 4-1 yet currently there are 93 vipers for sale on ebay and 25 ZR1's. Gotta tell ya something right there.....
I appreciate your opinion, but calling the Vette "hard core" is a bit of a stretch, and that is my point.
While I can't double check this claim, (internet nazis at work - no Ebay...), this is interesting.
As a side note, I have a friend who uses his Corvette as a daily driver. He's real happy with it. His only complaint is tires are costly.
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