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the last time they wanted msu badly and they were the overall no.1 seed playing in Indy I think this happened.....
Can you blame them? They embarrassed us last year in Phoenix, and they're an improved team this season. I'd want to play us over Dook as well.
Most Louisville fans see either team as formidable. Izzo and K are, well, Izzo and K. Both coaches are at the top of their profession.
Duke presents a nice storyline - revenge for an early season loss when Dieng was missing. There is some symmetry there.
But MSU's 2009 win against our suddenly weirdly & emotionally vulnerable team still hurts, to a degree, irregardless of our win last season. It also presents an interesting glimpse at assessing just how much better we are, much like the Duke game.
This year's version of Cards hoops is rather business-like, with lots of upperclassmen and a great chemistry. There are certainly no teams we fear.
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Wash, rinse, repeat.
This is what most of the fans who are confident about either team think. MSU lost their best player from last year and supposedly didn't add much. But I've watched you guys a lot and Nix has become a better player, not too mention I remember how badly we wanted Gary Harris.
I Think most fans realize that both teams are good, and you're never thrilled to see either Coach on the other sideline. But as for rooting, their are advantages to us playing either team. I think I'd rather beat Duke, so I guess I'm rooting for them. But not because their an easier game, you both pose different problems.
That "tall guy" had seven blocks against MSU in the sweet 16 last year.
Such a silly idea.
MSU this year is much improved. Last year we had Senior Green who had to put the team on his back and carry the load numerous times throughout the year. Lost Senior Brandon Wood who was a one year rental (love the guy and what he provided us for a season).
What Louisville doesn't see about MSU is that we lost Green and gain Harris/Dawson. Harris has proved to be an elite player in his short time at Michigan State. Dawson is still putting his game back together after losing his whole summer for rehabilitation.
MSU adds Valentine/Costello who provide depth. Valentine has shown off unique his unique skill set and has great chemistry with the team already and creates opportunities for the "open man" as he seems to have a knack for finding him.
Louisville lost Swopshire who transferred to Northwestern. He hit 2 3s and played great defense in last years game.
The biggest key this year is the huge development if both Payne and Nix. Deing probably made them both feel like they "didn't wanna play basketball no mo" after last years game as he made them both look like little boys in a mans game. With Paynes add versatility out to the 3 point line and Nix owning his territory inside they create the problem for Dieng this year. There is only one of him to guard MSUs 2 bigs. Good luck.
With that said still have to take care of Duke/Creighton first but I think MSU would do just fine against this years Louisville team.
I think MSU feels the same way....that they can play with anybody in this tournament and that nobody out there scares them. My concern for them, carried over from the regular season, is can they be consistent? A bad game...hell, a bad HALF...can send you packing in this tourney just that quick. Their overall better talent overcame an 18 turnover slopfest against Memphis, but you aren't going to be doing that against teams like Duke or Louisville and come out on top. We'll see from here on out if this MSU team has that "refuse to lose" team clutch gene that separates the champions from the also rans.
"I love March!" - Tom Izzo
If they are smart, they should pull for Duke. Our match up with them will be more like 2009 than 2012. We match up well. Esp. Only after one day prep.
FWIW, I'm more concerned about Duke than Louisville.
We actually are smart. We don't care - at the Elite Eight level, anybody is a badass.
Looking ahead for Louisville this season is one game at a time. Talking smack as a #1 Seed is appealing but I guess I'll just leave instead.
It's March. Every game you play has a difficult opponent and the stakes get higher every game.
I think Louisville is very beatable. They are a very good team, but nobody in the tournament this year is invincible.
The way I look at it is that Louisville is good enough that I assumed no matter where they were put that if we were going to win the NC we'd need to beat them. Why not get it over with sooner rather than later?
One thing for sure is that the concensus of the media is that the Midwest is by FAR the toughest region this year. No one can say that MSU had an easy path to the FF this year if/when they make it. It will be well earned.
We know about you guys. Great team and a great coach. Remember, we played you guys about a year ago. Our small looking center's name is Gorgui Dieng. He helped hold Payne, Nix and Green to 8 for 26 last year, with 8 turnovers. Oh yeah, he had 7 blocks. We didn't have Montrezl Harrell back then. He isn't all that big either, but is very enthusiastic. He got 20 points, 7 rebounds and a block against Syracuse in the BEast Championship game. He doesn't start though. We do wish you luck against Duke though!
This MSU alum hasn't forgot about Dieng. He was the game changer that was killing us from start to finish. One of Keith's floater attempts in the lane Dieng literally spiked straight down to the floor. He made MSU a jump shooting team that night, and clearly that's wasn't MSU's strength at the time.
I'm looking and MSU Duke matchups though, hopefully we'll see you guys on Sunday evening/night.
I think you guys take Duke. In fact, you ought to be a nightmare match up for them.
Good luck and I also hope to see you in the Elite 8.
I would imagine most U of L fans are rooting for MSU and Duke to go to six overtimes.
Me personally, I'm getting tired of seeing MSU in our bracket and thinking about another Elite 8 matchup, as the #1 overall seed, in Indy, after (hopefully) beating an underseeded Pac-12 team is enough to get the nerves going. I think most U of L fans know this is not the same MSU team as last year. Payne is a different player. There's more experience. Dawson is a beast. We recruited Gary Harris and every time I watch you all play, I'm jealous.
On the flip side, the current U of L team is very different than the 2009 version and an upgrade from last year's Final Four team. I can say, without exaggeration, this is the best U of L team I've watched (I was too young to appreciate the 80 and 86 teams). 2009 had the talent, but not the mental toughness. 2012 played smart, but didn't have the talent to go all the way. This year's team has both. They could easily lose on Friday - that's the way the tournament goes - but they also have the best shot of going the distance of any U of L team I've watched.
All that said, there's no way I can root for Duke. I'm guessing if the game is close at the end, most U of L fans will reflexively start cheering for MSU. For most U of L fans, Michigan St has earned our respect and deep down we love seeing Duke lose.
Good luck to you guys, stay healthy and enjoy the ride.
It is so unfair to MSU, Duke, and Louisville (and college basketball for that matter) that this question has to be asked for this round.
The Selection Committee f'd up seeding this year. They did a great job with the bubble teams (re: Hollis), but the midwest was so loaded it's absurd.
Oregon is a 12 seed? Yeah, right. Oregon would have likely won the West (as would MSU, Duke, and Louisville)....even if the seeding had played out.
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Only UL game I watched this year, I witnessed a player singlehandedly screw his team over and over again in late-game situations.
If the game is close against UL (for either MSU or Duke), I don't like UL's chances of winning. Russ Smith has no conscious whatsoever; if he is on and the rest of their team is running, then it's likely a blowout. If not though, I can see UL losing a close one.
They probably want MSU again because they beat us last year. We didn't have Harris, Costello or Valentine though. We did have Draymond.
What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...
We're an improved and much different team as well. This year's MSU team is much more versatile and more athletic. When we played Louisville we had no Dawson, an undersized Brandon Wood and a former walk-on (Thornton) in our starting lineup. That lineup was pretty limited in what it could do. All our offense was run through one player (Green) and if Green didn't have a good game, we were toast. This year we're getting scoring from multiple people and our inside/out game is much better.
Not saying Louisville fans shouldn't be confident, but if they are basing it solely on last year's result, that would be a mistake.
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Much different team this year, despite little or no personal change. Biggest difference is Payne not playing much center. He's playing more PF/SF even and L'ville will have to account for him pulling guys away from the paint.
Dawson is healthy, he didn't play v. you guys last year. He's not playing up to his potential but getting better. He's more of a traditional around the basket power forward. Doesn't jump shoot or handle, but I think he's starting to accept his roll on this team as a rebounder and garbage scorer. Has good hands and hops and can block shots and steal the ball if your bigs aren't accounting for his whearabouts. He does, and has gone off offensively at time too, just inconsistent with his scoring.
Gary Harris is the other difference. He's a much better scorer and outside threat than anything MSU had last year. He helps our inside/outside game work a lot better. Nix isn't as good of a passer from the post as Green was, but is still pretty good. But he has better weapons to pass to in Harris, Payne, and Dawson.
Also...off the bench, Denzel Valentine is a matchup nightmare. He's a PG in a SF/PF body. For a frosh, he plays very good on the ball defense, and is a very smart ball payer. Very physical for a guard.
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