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I have a different philosophy. If a freshman will likely be starting next year, get him some reps now, and burn the red shirt.
Example is Max Bullough. Guy got some reps behind Greg Jones, and I think it helped him when Jones graduated and Max took over.
Haters gonna hate!
Apparently 0 reps on the team last year will earn you a starting position.
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Well when you're going up against Nick Hill and Jeremy Langford.....
Hate to rip on Spartans but they made absolutely no noise in spring practice. All we've heard about Langford for the past couple years is that he fumbles and avoids contact. Hill just does not seem to have a second gear and is definitely not an every-down option.
Met the guy at a party earlier this summer. Introduced himself as Tompkins and I couldn't believe it. The guy was definitely not any sort of physical specimen (hung out with Bell earlier this school year, now that guy is a BEAST). He talked about his displeasure with only receiving a handful of carries in the spring game, and before he went off I told him I was looking forward to seeing him first string this season. His response gave the impression of "ehhhh, we'll see about that". Let's just say unless he shows something during spring practice, I don't see him being a big factor. Lets hope I'm wrong. Seemed like a good dude though.
I'll guess you meant fall camp.
I get the impression the staff has made up their minds in practice and aren't going to give Thompkins much opportunity. He had the best run in the spring game and averaged 4+ ypc in his other attempts, but didn't get many. Seems like the staff is in love w/ the big, bruising back, and speed guys, who are usually smaller, get demerits for not being able to push the pile. Again, that's just my impression.
As far as comparing a RS Freshman to a guy who'd been in the program 3 yrs, well, do you think Thompkins might look more like LeVeon in 2 more years?
Last thing is, seems like the staff feels a back is responsible for picking up yardage whether the OL punches holes or not. If you think about what has been the weakest unit of the Dantonio era, and don't say it's the OL, I think you should think about it again. That's a situation where the big bruiser is going to be more productive than the speed guys almost ALL the time.
This post was edited by spartan80 13 months ago
AFTER 4 yrs w/ Mannie.
Yet the D is playing in the same games, and the youngsters seem to get reps and are ready when their time comes. It certainly isn't easier to break into the lineup on MSU's D than it is to start/play for the O.
"I met Nick Tompkins at a party, so I don't think he's going to be very good."
Yeah, that's what I meant. As far as build goes, yeah I see what you're saying there too. By that statement, I meant that you couldn't tell he was a football player. Looked like any other guy on campus who lifts a few times a week. That's why I said, unless he's a beast in practice, he definitely doesn't look the role of a starting RB/ stud that everyone is looking forward to step up this year. Now obviously the two backs are nothing alike, but let's just say I wouldn't dare mess with Le'Veon but Tompkins looked like .... an average guy. He did have a little bowling ball shape to him though, so there's potential there.
I don't know about any of these assumptions..
The staff gave Baker *tons* of carries over Bell in 2011 -- he was a speed guy. Ringer got the lions share of carries over Jehuu Caulcrick and Ringer was the smaller of the two by far!
In terms of the OL, the staff has to pick the back based on what the OL can do. You can't dictate to your OL "create holes that our small guys can run through" -- that's always the plan. But if they can't do it, then you need a big guy that can move the pile.
Lastly, we haven't even seen what Riley Bullough can do in a game yet. Why are you automatically assuming that the staff has all kinds of preconceived notions and is making an irrational decision?
Hey man, if that's the impression you got out of that post, that's not what I was intending. Firstly, I never said he wasn't going to be good. I said I didn't think he was going to have a big impact THIS YEAR because of his 1. demeanor when I asked him about this year (didn't seem happy about touches/ his chance to start), 2. stature. I can't really judge much else just from meeting the guy randomly. I'll be happy to eat crow when he rushes for over 1k yards this season. Just sayin what I saw, FWIW (which isnt much). But I'm happy to hear whatever info you have found on Tompkins in the last 6 months.
This post was edited by Kryptonate17464 13 months ago
Did you see him naked or something?
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You saw him at a party. And decided to base anything at all off of his "demeanor" (you know jack shit about that kid, his personality and his motivation. You met him once at a party and annoyed him with stupid questions) and his "stature" (he's 5'9", 185 lbs. There are plenty of successful college RBs that size, and OF COURSE he's not going to look like Bell, who is big even for a running back).
Why don't you watch him in the spring game when he busted loose for a huge run? You know, actual evidence of his ability?
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Alright, last response cause this is pointless. I've already said FWIW (not much). You're telling me if you meet a player, and talk to him about football for a bit, any impressions you get from that conversation isn't going to change your perspective of what the guy might do this season? "Annoyed?" The guy came up and introduced himself as "I'm on the football team, my name is Nick Tompkins". Lastly, I've read these forums for a while and know that everyone who sits on here is fiending for any scoop they can find. I'm sure someone reading this found my thoughts interesting (whether they thought it was BS or not). Now fuck off and quit being an idiot. Oh, and to the doc. He was wearing shorts and and a sleeveless tee (tryin to pick up the ladies).
You can call them what you want, I'd call them impressions based on what I see, hear, read.
Ringer & Baker were both stouter than Thompkins is described. Ringer was a martial arts type and always touted as a physical specimen outside of his height. Baker was also never described as Thompkins has been. Again, he's a RS frosh so it's not a comparison I would make, comparing guys at the end of their time w/Mannie to someone who is pretty new.
Never suggested you could dictate your OL's performance, though you could take steps to improve it, just as MD/PN have done by bringing in Ron Burton to coach the DL. It's your biased interpretation of what I wrote.
Lastly, compare Bullough's 11 carries for 48 yards to Thompkins 4 carries for 43 yards and tell me why Thompkins only got the ball 4 times. It's 1 game and there are so many carries, but if I'm a coach I want to see if the kid who ran for 30 yds can do it again. If Thompkins gets a chance this fall, I'll be the first to say my IMPRESSION was incorrect.
All two of them? CoachedbyDuffy and...maybe Spartan (stats are for losers) Rocky
You're not going to the right parties, man.
+1. I found this interesting and enlightening. Thanks!
Bullough also lost a fumble in the spring game.
I really hope that the coaches give Tompkins an opportunity to earn significant carries this fall and that Tompkins does the work necessary to earn the coaches' confidence. We need a home run hitter from that spot.
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Oh so it's that kind of party!
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This post was edited by Clonkers 13 months ago
Baker was 5'9 208. Ringer was under 200 until his SR year, when he bulked up to 203.
Tompkins is 5'10 185-190ish. Different body types.
FWIW, Ringer and Caulcrick were only about 25-30 carries apart during 2007; it was something like 245 to 223. That's about a 2 carry/game difference.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Well, coaches were comfortable enough with Tompkins to promise him not to take another RB in the class. Clearly they see something there.
I don't quite understand all the hate on Nick Hill. Yes, he had some bad fumbles, but I don't know where the idea that he is slow comes from. He looks fast and shifty to me. He also seems to run or, even blast through contact (i think that is when he fumbles). Sit him for the fumbles, but otherwise if we have the O for a speed back, he looks like a great option.
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