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I, for one, hope MSU is never seen as a one and done school. I much prefer having players with slightly less skill coming here, getting better, and biting the prima donnas in the butt by being better coached and being more dedicated. MSU is a blue collar school, like it or not....it is the University of Michigan For the People and hope we never develop and elitist attitude and never stoop to the level of SEC schools in football and basketball.
Simple solution to this problem. Win.
If they beat Indiana next week they will get plenty of attention and praise. If they lose, Indiana players will be seen as "God" and the MSU players and team will be doubted.
He's talking about Tuesday. Nix probably wouldn't talk on Thursday morning about highlights that are yet to air since it's not yet Thursday evening.
You're right. It's not fair to these players who've worked just as hard as the next guy, not get the recognition they deserve.
Shame on ESPN for hyping some and ignoring others.They should just report on the games and stop with the favoritisim.
This sounds like a job for Hollis and the other marketing types. It's time to promote our players more, although I agree with others here, this isn't the program's fault. But MSU does need to counteract the negative impact to its program from the hype machine that exisits in high school/AAU basketball and aided by ESPN.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by mdm2005 14 months ago
The will to succeed is important, but what's more important is the will to prepare.
Like it or hate it, the fact is the book on a lot of these kids is written well before they even step foot on campus. Shabazz Muhammad and Cody Zeller were thought to be one and done type recruits before they even committed to a college. If Gary Harris stays at MSU one more year and tears it up, sure he'll be thought of as a first round draft pick but I gaurantee you that he won't be thought of higher than Andrew Wiggins who is still in HS and has yet to step foot on a campus.
I really don't think it's anything that MSU, its coaches or players are doing wrong. It's just the nature of the ESPN/Nike/Adidas/high school recruiting hype machine. It also doesn't help that Nix, Payne and Dawson are all averaging somewhere in the range of 9 points and 6 rebounds. Those aren't exactly numbers that wow NBA scouts. Now granted BJ and AP both have the kinds of size and athleticism that can get you drafted without posting huge numbers but usually those kinds of players/draftees come out of high school with one and done type hype and that wave of excitement and expectation helps to carry them on through to the Association, even with less than amazing stats.
Agree completely. You can still be very successful while doing it the right way and still be humble.
Had UM won they WOULD have shown highlights. Marketing and recruiting advantages are the result of positive media attention. It's also a beat down to our current players and team momentum. UM has not had an outstanding basketball program through the years yet get non stop attention the ONE year they do.
Does Bobby sak approve of Nix doing this? Talking about Michigan?
Did anyone else see the litany of articles on ESPN after the UofM-Indiana game talking about how that was the game of the year and how they proved they were #1 and #2 in the country? There were a lot. Nevermind that MSU played IU closer a week earlier and lost mainly due to Appling only playing 19 minutes due to "foul trouble". It's all about how many people they think they can hype up. MSU is not flashy. We don't have a superstar fronting us or a big name. MSU SHOULD be a brand, but they just want to crown Michigan and Indiana so badly for the ratings.
So you don't see a difference between the number 4 and 8 team meeting and a number 1 and 3 team meeting when 2 lost earlier in the day?
I hate to say it but Izzo is as much to blame as anyone with his crazy scheduling (lack of hype). You can't have a murderous esrly schedule and stay high in the polls unless you win those games.
Right after the game there was highlights on SC...not sure what he means by that. Was it the biggest story in sports of the week? no...
That really wasn't what I said. Even after MSU and Indiana played an extremely close nailbiter game, no press. Then Michigan and Indiana played and despite it being less of a game? Articles abounds at how the teams showed how dominant they were. The MSU/IU game was arguably a better game but nothing was made of it. They want to hype Michigan and Indiana and they are.
You're right. This is an insult to Izzo's consistency. Michigan State is ALWAYS in the picture year in and out. Izzo get's his teams ready for the big stage whether his teams are average, good, or great every year.
MSU is a brand, but the tools in the media want to only hype certain players and certain schools every year.
I watch a lot of the NBA lately with Randolph, Shannon Brown, Alan Anderson playing so well and Draymond finding his way. A lot of the guys in the NBA are no better than the players who've played at MSU.
Alan Anderson is an example of that. It's just a matter of getting a shot and the playing time to show their skills.
What Nix and this team did to SCum Tuesday night, was masterful. It's a shame ESPN largely ignored it.
Agree about the hype, just some national blue wall,
But I don't think the NBA drafts guys based upon what Dick Vitale or Stuart Scott think of their game.
But only immediately after the game. They WOULD have given the game far more repetitions had Indiana or SCum won it. We'd still be hearing about it.
Nix is right, I watched for the repetitions and they didn't come for MSU as they had for other teams in the past.
Make no mistake about it, ESPN snubbed MSU.
I agree. Considering most internet tough guys on here would call him "a whiner," "a bitch," or [tin foil hat], I think many others on here would agree with Nix.
I just don't GAS any more. Izzo always makes "the experts" eat crow in March/April any way. It gets more humorous every season.
Groundhogs Day--the movie, man. Every season. Every February and March.
This post was edited by One Eyed Jack 14 months ago
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- Kurt Vonnegut
I would argue it had less to do with the games and more to do about the teams rankings before the games.
MSU did get props for the game by not dropping at all after that Indiana loss in the next weeks rankings.
I agree with you that ESPN hyped that game up but it was their Saturday night game what do you expect them to do?
Also they love michigan but Inwould argue they love them a lot less now with 3 losses in so many of days.
Again just win. If they beat #1 ranked Indiana on Tuesday they will get more press.
Another thing I will agree with you on: MSU isn't flashy. Indiana and UM doesn't play defense like MSU which is why their players score more points and their numbers look better. It's too bad MSU couldn't defend Indiana better @indiana or they would have win that game as well.
This post was edited by xwing 14 months ago
Izzo's system is definitely not the problem.
Very likely that Kalin gets drafted if not for the Achilles tear. Raymar gets the friggin Motaba virus from Outbreak. Delvon's knees went to hell. Summers played himself out of the NBA.
Think about this one: it's very possible that in the next 2 years, our current starting 5 (Nix, Payne, Dawson, Harris, Appling) will all be on NBA rosters. Eat your heart out, Calipari.
ESPN showed highlights.
Personally I like being the team that doesn't get the media love. I think Izzo is the same
I agree with all of your points. The game was their Tuesday night game, but the ramifications of the game were huge. This game would potentially determine first place in the BEST basketball conference in the country.
The WAY Nix and his team mates played that game earned it extended props, but ESPN stopped its reps of the game on Tuesday night basically.
The Spartan beatdown didn't match ESPN's SCum the magnificent/Fraud Five narrative these past two years.
There hasn't been an utter domination like this perhaps since Miami put it on Duke. It's as if the media and hype machine turn away when their favorites are EXPOSED they way MSU did SCum.
This. Although nix has no one really to blame but himself.
4 losses is one too many if he wanted hype and press.
MSU lost to Miami. MSU lost to Indiana.
The loss to Uconn was terrible and the bigs laid a huge egg in that game.
Nix just has to worry about winning and the rest of it will take care of itself.
I usually love Nix and can't blame him for speaking his mind.
But this is really weak.
As Perles said "work hard and keep your mouth shut and good things will happen". Or something like that.
The problem is that the MSU-UConn game was the very first game. It got a lot of press and rightfully so, but it was game #1. Of course, UConn is not a bad team, but losing to them in game 1 shouldn't be worse than losing to them in game 20. There are no "bad losses" on MSU's slate. If the Huskies are what people can point to, it's much much better than what the 1999-2000 Spartans had to deal with.
Truth. It didnt match ESPNs narrative but also it was such a beatdown that it wasnt a good story.
ESPN is all about ratings. If it going to capture ratings they will show replays forever.
Unless it is a huge upset of a #1 team or a highly ranked team winning it isn't big news.
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