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Short story, my 18 year old son got a MIP over the weekend. After kicking him in the butt, I want to make sure his rights are protected and he gets the best outcome. Is it a good idea to get an attorney? If so, any local Lansing attorney recommendations. Should I just punish his mom with anal,(No Photos) and let the boy handle it himself? Guide me oh wise rcmb.
Your son broke the first rule of breaking rules
Don't get caught.
Don't waste money on an attorney. Have him go to court and plead not guilty, then say he has no job (assuming he doesn't) and has no savings and his parents won't help. Then the court will give him a court appointed attorney, at which point that attorney will work a plea agreement with the prosecution and your son will have to do community service and pay a small fine (100-200 dollars) but the MIP will get expunged from his record. Easiest and cheapest course of action.
Source: personal experience (though it was 15 years ago).
does he go to state?
1. Go to asmsu
2. Plead guilty and take probation deal
3. Breathalyze for 80 days and don't fail
4. Don't get caught again In those 80 days
The fine is more than 200 bucks, per a lot of high school friends.
Downpayment (Not mom) but I wish she was
Totally agree, dumbass got cocky and slipped up.
No, he will be starting at CMU in the fall
Jesus, is this really what kids have to go through these days for f***ing MIPs?! Back in the day it was just pay the hugely inflated fine to ELPD to help them buy new cars and horseys and that was that.
wouldn't surprise me if it was, the reality is that the system only cares about the money. . I think I paid 150 in 1998, regardless, the course of action that I laid out is the best option. Hiring an attorney would work too, but then you waste 1000 dollars (ish) to accomplish the same thing.
I know a young man who got caught last year on campus. Spent a early morning at the Public Safety lockup. He went to court, plead guilty. Misdemeanor, fine, probation, took a class, might have gotten some unannounced testing but it goes away if he stays clean for 36 months.
When I was at State (1993), I pled guilty (not MIP, but an alcohol related offense). Had to attend (and pay for) some alcohol education class (4 hours on a Saturday), and perform 40 hours community service (pushed a broom at the Salvation Army for a few weekends). It was expunged after I completed 6 months probation without further incidence.
Goddam - anal is a pretty stiff punishment for an MIP charge.
This is pretty much how it works now from what I understand and I think it ends up closer to $400-500. Had some friends who had to do the unannounced testing thing for a year and it seemed pretty awful. From what I have heard, it is a lot worse now than 10 years ago when I was in school. Don't waste money on the attorney.
Tell him to stop being an asshole
Everything has gotten much worse for underage drinkers since I was an undergrad.
The state has taken a very low-tolerance approach.
Meanwhile, the bus and taxi services are thriving in East Lansing because it's so incredibly expensive to get caught driving drunk.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
I had the same thing. Do not plead guilty and do not get an attorney. Plead not guilty, they'll give you a pre-trial date (usually about a month after the arraignment). Go to the courthouse on that date, take the "first time offenders" deal, go on probation for 3 months, pay out the ass, and it will be wiped clear from his record. The fine is $320, alcohol class is $55, and the random testing costs $5 per time. Shakes out to be around $500.
It will technically be pending until he turns 21. If he gets another MIP before he turns 21, he'll now have 2 (the other one becomes active).
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by RougePatrol22 12 months ago
I don't think this will work nowadays.
Everything is right except for the "plead guilty" part.
Following the rules is such a drag. Make it go away, daddy.
Sadly I know what I'm talking about here. Get a lawyer (asmsu or other), plead not guilty and don't fuck up for 90 days. Fine is around $500 and he'll have to take an online alcohol class. After 90 days it's like it never happened
laying in the weeds
The cop sounds like a real asshole.
For some reason this made me laugh. Daddy will punish all who hurt his little boy.
That goes both ways. "Dad will take care of it for you."
Or my favorite, usually from the mom: "But _____ is such a good kid. (S)He's never been in trouble before. Why are they doing this to her/him?"
Defense lawyers hear that all the time. All. The. Time.
They usually ARE good kids who've never been in trouble. But there's a first for everything. It's a mistake. It's poor judgment. And ideally, it's a life lesson.
Relax. It's not the end of the world. Things will almost always get better (unless the kid screws up again). Love and support your kid, but be a parent through this situation and hope they've learned something from it.
This post was edited by tGreenWay 12 months ago
All cops are like this in East Lansing. I'd say 80% of my friends in college got at least 1 MIP. I've only heard of 2 that got out if it and both were girls.
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