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I say 50-50
I'm going to say only 10%. If he didn't have his breathing problem I'd say 50-50 sounds right.
Pretty low. NBA draft already happened, and I doubt he'd go overseas. Maybe in 2013.
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Agreed. Either he goes, or he doesn't.
Dude averaged 7 points a game last year, lets wait and see.
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%25, he still needs to improve his game. Right now he will be a very good Big Ten player but not good enough to justify leaving early. Unless he Blows up this year.
Don't think he will be an NBA player, unfortunately. Not fluid enough to play the pro 4 (no footspeed, no conditioning) and not big enough to play the 5.
If I had to guess, I'd rank our players' NBA potential like this: (I'm judging the freshman purely on hype.)
Anybody below Payne would really, really surprise me. I think Dawson and Harris are the two obvious players to watch.
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Did I miss something last year? Was he averaging a double double? .... He has about a 1% chance next year....I drink a lot of kool aid , but come on people.
I think he has a good chance. If he averages his per-40 minutes from last season, 15 points, 9 rebounds and 2 blocks a game, then on potential I think an NBA team would take him first round.
He's going to play some at the four, we'd be handicapping ourselves if we play Payne and Nix solely at center for twenty minutes a game. They are both too good to limit to just that. Payne in his junior season will be a better player than Costello or Gauna. he may struggle a bit defensively but he would be a size mismatch for almost every power forward in the conference on offense.
I hope 100%, that means good things for MSU this year!
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Really? I think Dawson has as much to prove as Payne to become an NBA player. He needs a consistent shot and handle to be an effective "3" in the NBA. Payne is still a 6'10" quick, super-athlete with a solid mid-range touch. I'd put him only behind Gary Harris and, with the exception of Dawson, I don't think it's that close. I will concede that it might be now or never for him. Seniors appear to old news.
He would have to display a few Anthony Davis-type games showing how he can defend, extend his range and also stay on the court longer than 18 minutes.
Dawson has a ton of athleticism and potential. I saw him in the first round of a 2013 mock draft already and they have no idea what he will look like after his injury.
Who have you been watching? Payne is not laterally quick and his jumpshot release is extremely slow. He's also undersized as a center. He has incredible hops but no strength finishing at the basket and almost no awareness at the rim (someone in the media was tracking his assists last year and I think he finished almost dead last). He would have to make MAJOR strides to be a first-round pick and will be lucky if he's even drafted.
Dawson is also a freak-athlete at his position but he's incredibly strong, fast and skilled with the right size and height for his position. The ONLY thing he's missing is a jumpshot.
I have read that Payne has bulked up this offseason and developed his outside game a little bit. That can only help him.
Honestly I think that Nix could have a good year and get some looks. I know the market for below the rim plodders in the NBA is shrinking, but I haven't seen many guys with his size/strength combo that have such good hands, moves, and vision below the rim.
If his improved conditioning leads to better rebounding then watch out! I could see him sticking in the League as a solid role player off of the bench.
No way... Payne needs to bulk up, doesn't seem like he puts enough workout at the gym.
Why do the "Is MSU PLAYER X going pro early threads?" always turn into MSU fans talking badly about MSU players?
Knock it off.
It will probably depend on where Jesus Sliced Bread is slotted in mock drafts.
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I will say 50-50 that Payne even starts at the end of the year. Going pro
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