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Thomas is 6'7", 225; I used him as an example of a 4 who isn't quick. If Payne can cover him........(see post above)
He's played over 30 the last 3 games and the game prior to that was PSU where he played all 16:37 of the second half once he came in. With the lack of a bench for us, Payne will continue to play over 30 minutes the rest of the year (barring foul trouble).
Feel like I should eat some of my own words.
Payne, since Big Ten play started really, has completely changed his game. He is staying in front of guys like Christian Watford, moving his feet, shooting with confidence. Thomas did light him up at times but overall Payne played OK. The fact that Izzo had the trust to start him on Thomas speaks to his improvement.
He is close to being NBA ready. Cerainly will be drafted if he left this year. If he picks up the defense and shows slightly more strength, look out, he could be out the door. I do think if he waits until he's a senior he would be late 1st or warly 2nd round pickup.
"Tonight, we show the world what this program is made of!" -- Brian Ellerbe on Mar 4, 2000, the night of scUM's 51-point loss to MSU.
The thing that really baffles me is the footspeed. Like i said early in the thread, he could NOT stay with quicker fours his first two years. Even most of this year. Don't know what changed.
His conditioning is also LOADS better. Maybe a lung transplant?
I think half of footspeed is actually just being smart and being able to anticipate the play. Payne always looked like he was clueless as to what was happening on the court before this season. He was overplaying guys and not able to recover, etc. Now he seems as though he is scouting opponents better and just has the experience and confidence that he knows what is going to happen on the court. He still does some boneheaded things out there, but the improvement is significant.
That could be it.
Put Draymond Green's mind into the body of a guy like Payne and you would have an All-NBA talent. This is the first year I've seen Payne make some really savvy basketball plays with any consistency.
I hope they stay but it would not surprise me in Appling, Payne, and Dawson leave early.
Can definately see Payne & Dawson (which would decimate next years team) but appling is in a tough spot if he cant put together a consistant jump shot IMO
If we win a national championship, I would not be mad if they decided to leave. Along with Izzo. OK I would be mad if Izzo left but I wouldn't hate him as he rode off into the sunset.
I'd hate for any of the guys to leave for a few reasons:
1.a. We'd suck next year
1.b. They'd all have a lot to gain by coming back
1.c. Izzo deserves some loyalty. He got them this far, now they should take him to the top, and he'll make them even better.
Of course, if we win 6 in the NCAAT, all of that would be true still, but I wouldn't GAF. I'd just like to see MSU have a group link Florida or UNC did where guys who were 1st round locks came back to win it all (or to repeat).
Payne/Dawwon/Harris could all be lottery picks with the right consistency and development over the next year. An NBA team is much more invested in a guy like that than a late 1st rounder, or 2nd round pick. IIRC, a 2nd rounder isn't even guaranteed a contract. Too many guys get to the league too early to ever give themselves a chance to make it.
This post was edited by Rodeo Burger 15 months ago
I want everyone to come back, but lost in all of this is how the retarded NBA avoids older college players like the plague. They treat kids who stay to hone their skills like shit and reward those who jump too early based on "potential". Look at Draymond. All-american, ridiculous numbers and intangibles and doesn't go in the first-round? Bush-league
This post was edited by jabroni 15 months ago
Exactly. A Natty this year could change MSU basketball forever.
There are too many pg's ahead of Appling on the draft board. Unless we make a deep tourney run and he has a Kalin Lucas type tourney for his stock to rise, he will be back next year.
I wouldn't call that realistic. In fact, I would say there is a less than 1 percent chance that Payne, Dawson, and Harris all leave. I believe a starting five looking like this is more likely than yours:
Don't get the Dawson leaving bit.
He's a 6'6" forward. Not many of those playing NBA basketball, particularly without range to 20 feet. He has to develop the jump shot to play in the NBA.
This post was edited by rookmsu 15 months ago
Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.
If no one leaves, another year of experience from now Appling, Harris, Dawson, Payne, Costello makes me drool
Realistically I only see Payne considering leaving.
If he stays MSU will be a FF favorite next year.
that's absolutely not going to happen. no way no how. Dawson is the only real threat simply because of his athleticism. If you watched Izzo's post game sunday he AGAIN talked about how Payne tires easily and just seems to lose focus in the last quarter of games. If he doesn't have the conditioning to play a 40 minute college game, how is he going to play a more uptempo 48 minute pro game? His defense is a real problem, even as his offense has improved tremendously. But his conditioning issues and tendency to take plays off will render him undraftable this year. That said, I think he can become a solid 1st round pick if he comes back and improves as much as he has this year. His shot is looking smooooth.
Harris's injuries have hurt his development, but you can tell he's a special player. He's going to need at least another year though. FWIW, This NBADraft.Net doesn't even put Payne in the top 100 prospects and has the others ranked (places moved +/- since last update):
35. Dawson (+21)
56. Appling (-14)
85. Harris (-3)
Incidentally they have GRIII 12th, Burke 21st, and Hardaway Jr. 28th. How on earth is GRIII a lottery pick?
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If Nix is the only departure next years team is going to be scary good. Is it Schilling or bust for next years class? I'd think with Kearneys departure the team is going to need to add at least one player to the 2013 class, hopefully a guard or wing.
Kaminski will essentially be part of the 2013 class. Another wing for depth is the biggest need.
If Payne returns, and everyday else stays, MSU will be on the short list of National Championship contenders.
I guess "realistically" was a poor choice of words. It's more like a worst possible scenario.
I'm sure if everyone from UM comes back next year they will hype them up as the next best thing since the Fab five.
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