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I can enjoy college players for being college players and not be concerned about if they will make it in the NBA. Calbert Cheaney leads the BIG in all time scoring. I don't think I ever saw him play in the NBA Same for the Big Dog
So is Gary Harris using MSU to get to the NBA? How about Adreian Payne? Maybe Branden Dawson?
Face it, every player who aspries to reach the NBA is using their school for that purpose. You're pretty naive is you don't see that.
And yes Mateen was a great leader and one of the better college PG's of the past 20 years. Unfortuenately, leadership isn't something that really helps in the NBA though. Burke's shooting does.
I take it you never watch the NBA.
Calbert Cheaney played in the NBA for 13 seasons. Glenn Robinson played in the NBA for 11 seasons, was rookie of the year and played in 2 All Star games.
Big dig didn't win ROY, hill and Kidd split it that year
My post has to do with the fact that Burke will have success in the NBA because his shot will not be a hindrance to him. The NBA doesn't care about a player being a winner or leader in college.
I wasn't trying to make any comparasion of who was / is better in college, strictly looking at who has more potential to play in the NBA, which was what you and M Schott were posting about. Mateen was a better a PG in college than Burke is, no doubt about it.
This is true but look who Mateen played with: 3 future quality NBA players, AJ Granger and Andre Hutson. Burke is on a very good team but they are not nearly as talented as the 99-2000 MSU team.
Here's the quote that started this part of the thread: "burke is um's version of mateen cleaves, minus the championships, and final 4s. great college player, but not a great nba talent." My contention is Burke has better NBA talent.
And by the way Big Dog averaged over 20 PPG in his NBA career and scored over 14,000 points. Cheaney had a decent career averaging 10 PPG.
I'm just saying that it's great to have these nice offensive stats, and let's even throw in "NBA potential", but it doesn't mean it's going to translate. There are a number of great college players, with NBA potential, who didn't cut it at the NBA level. I don't think that, to your original point, shooting % in college is indicative of NBA success. You are implying Burke will be successful in the NBA because of his ability to shoot, I'm saying, we'll see. I would argue that he isn't an elite shooter, his strength is his quickness and ability to get to the basket.
No, they're not as talented. But, they do have talent. That's why I didn't say win the B1G Tourney, and/or make the Final Four. I think it's reasonable to expect that he should be able to will his team to a win or two in B1G Tourney, and a few wins in the NCAA to get through the first weekend.
Not very often (I must have missed Calbert's one year with the Celtics. His other teams don't get much air time). I find college ball much more enjoyable even with Stern's one year rule (stupid).
His size is what his hindrance is. If he was even Chris Paul's size you could say he will definitely have NBA success. There's been a lot of 5'10 waterbug guards that were great college players and non factors in the NBA. Ask that mouthbreather on UMs bench Bacari Alexander about rashad Philips. That kid carried UofD and never amounted to much at the next level. Scoonie Penn,
Kalin Lucas, Jason Gardner, Khalid El-Amin etc..
All good to great college players that were sub 6ft
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"losing Caleb Benenoch is a blow that Dantonio will never recover from. Izzo has lost it as well. Hoke and Beilein own the state."
Not taking anything away from Calbert's or Big Dogs' NBA careers. While they played in college, I never thought about how they would look in the NBA.
Which means so you give up and admit I am right. Sweet.
Saying that Burke's shot won't be a hindrance isn't saying that he'll be successful because of his ability to shoot. His major strength is getting into the paint and being able to either score, pass inside to a big, or kick it out to a shooter. All I'm saying is that a lack of a shot won't keep Burke out of the NBA as it has with many college point guards.
Well, when you don't try to twist numbers in a ridiculous way to validate your opinion, I can agree to disagree. If somebody thinks Oladipo is a better player, that's fine. I think he probably is. But I also think Burke has had a better season at his position than Vic at his.
This post was edited by Dolph Ziggler 13 months ago
So you didn't say, "My post has to do with the fact that Burke will have success in the NBA because his shot will not be a hindrance to him."?
Ok. If you're trying to clarify your intent, fine. But, you did say Burke would have success in the NBA. I agree that his shot won't hinder him. My point is that you can't assume anyone will be successful in the NBA, you have to wait and see. And, I don't think being a great, or even elite, college player will then mean you will be a successful NBA player.
Burke in a runaway. Odapilo has a lot of issues athletically and mentally
If MSU had Oladipo, they would be undefeated because of his impact on the defensive end, if MSU had Burke, they would be defeated because of his ball hogging, so you tell me which player is better?
Saw some of the comments about Burke's height, that's definitely his biggest disadvantage going into the NBA. However Burke is a legit 6'0" and has a 6'5" wingspan. Having that huge wingspan relative to height is a major asset in bball. People don't discuss it often because who really cares about wingspan? But for a point guard who's questioned for being short, having a disproportionate wingspan could help him out a ton in the league.
Burke is not a legit 6'0
I'm 6'0 and he is exactly my height.
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