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Sooo....there's only pressure to perform in road games now?
Beating MSU will give any one of those teams early season validation. The hunter has become the hunted, There will be pressure on Maxwell to perform at a better than mediocre level, and he will have to do more than just hand the ball off to Bell and Caper 50 times for them to be successful.
When was the last time we lost at home?
And now there is no pressure as long as the team wins? I'm sure there were plenty of tense moments against Wiscy last year or ND in 2010.
Look, I'm pulling for them to excel, but as I stated in my original post people are crazy if they think there will be minimal growing pains with Maxwell and the receiver crew. Anybody who thinks there will be a seamless transition is forgetting what Martin and Cunningham were like their first two years in the playing group. They spoiled us the last couple years because they caught almost every catchable ball the last few years, but each had their fair share of drops the first two years.
This post was edited by Cement23588 2 years ago
2009 senior day against Penn State.
We have not had as dangerous of a home slate as we do in 2012 though.
Challenging home games:
2010 - ND, Wisconsin
2011 - Wisconsin, UM
2012 - Boise State, ND, OSU, Nebraska, possibly Iowa
We will have to be at our best. All of those game are definitely loseable.
This is true. I convinced myself that the passing game wouldn't miss a beat this year. Then i watched the BTCG a few days ago. I realized "wow, Cousins-BJ-Keshawn are an absolutely DEADLY trio. No way Maxwell and the new WRs will be that good next year." (although they shouldn't have to be as good with an improved running game)
Yes they were. That final drive in regulation against UGA was an absolute masterpiece. An improved running game will most assuredly help, but there will come a time (probably sooner rather than later) when the passing game will need to make plays and not just be used to keep defenses honest. I just hope Maxwell, et al, are able to get their feet under them before they are called upon to do so.
Very true. If he plays turnover free football we will be just fine. The coaches will put him in situations to succeed. He has a horse at running back and a fantastic defense. The crazy home crowd doesn't hurt either.
This post was edited by Spartan8Ball 2 years ago
We only have SIX seniors? We've got a NEW QB - he'll never be able to replace Cousins and his 1000% efficancy. OMG, we lost our best receivers - we'll NEVER replace them. OMG we've got an rb who can't possibly be as good as he was last year, we're doomed.
OMG, we're going to LOSE every game.
The hand wringing SOS Fans and tRCMB idiots.
Edit: I really, really get soooooo tired of the crap that some of you SOS Fans post here. Please either go root for another team or kill yourselves. Your constant whinning about how it's impossible for MSU to be on top of the Football world is disgusting. In case you are too stupid to notice, MSU now has a coach who is one of the best in the business in evaluating talent and has built a team that is the deepest EVER AND he knows how to use them. The defense in 2012 has a very good chance to be the best ever at MSU and the offense is going to be a killer. So, please start whinning about the track team, wrestling team, or some other team at MSU (because most of you just seem to HAVE TO WHINE about something ). (Done with MY whine now ).
This post was edited by Bender 2 years ago
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So anyone that thinks there could be a noticeable difference in the efficiency of the passing game, while the team transitions from a 3 year starter at QB and replaces an entire receiving corps with a bunch of inexperienced, untested and unproven players isn't qualified to root for this team? Fuck that noise.
Holy fuck on a stick, just GTFO.
Hey, there is going to be a difference but probably not for long. Receivers come and go and someone still catches the ball. Remember the start of last year: who was going to step up? Well someone did! I trust these coaches to have the right people prepared and in the right place at the right time.
Maxwell IS an improvement because he's got a stronger arm and has FEET! I talked to someone who knows both Cousins and Maxwell and he said that Maxwell has always been much stronger in the legs than Cousins (and a stronger passer ). Yup, he needs more expierence but that's going to happen. When players say he's going to take it to the "next level' I tend to believe them because THEY KNOW!
What I don't understand is all the constant whinning about what 'we' have to worry about. We don't have to worry about a thing because Dantonio and the coaches have that under control. As my friend (who sees and works with all the recruits comming into the program ) said two years ago: "Dantonio is going to win a national championship here" and I believe him.
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What a shame someone is diminishing what Cousins did this year. We were absolutely spoiled by him and to pretend that someone can just step in and perform at a higher level of play is asinine. I hope it's correct but it's completely unrealistic.
I doubt Gholston stays for his senior season.
Turnover free football is the part that I'm concerned about. While I expect Maxwell and the receivers to be fine overall, I expect some rookie mistakes / disconnects where the receiver breaks early or breaks the wrong way or some such thing and we end up giving an easy pick. And then the question is also how quickly Maxwell and the receiver in question manage to put it behind them.
However good the new guys are, I hope at least one of them has hands as good as Cunningham's. Cunningham's hands are simply the best I can remember in the last several years (maybe even including NFL receivers), and I'm sure that's one reason for Cousin's low turnover numbers.
Offensively MSU will have enough. I don't think they start blowing people out. However, the defense should take another step if that's even possible. My thought is the depth will negate injuries, as well as keep the starters fresh to slam the door shut late. As a general fan of college football, it's almost a given for teams to make comebacks in the modern era as passing has evolved. It may be time for the NCAA to consider allowing the clock to run after first downs, unless the player gets OB.
In a nutshell, keep the D-line fresh and when the opposition runs their 2 minute O, pins their ears back and destroy the QB.
Nobody is dimishing what Cousins did. He's the best Qb we've had and was a great leader. Maxwell won't come close to his records because he's only got two years. But, Cousins is gone, time to move on. Maxwell is going to be fine this year and better than that next. He doesn't need to be astonishing, just good and State will have an outstanding season.
That should be the ultimate goal of our program now, a National Championship. I know it's taboo to say that, but that's what we should be talking about IMO.
This will be my new standard reply. Thank you :)
This is where coaching comes in. I doubt full playbook will be available to Maxwell unless they have complete trust in his decision making. Thank God these coaches put them in positions to succeed.
I dont think anyone is downplaying Cousins, but people are forgetting that Maxwell is going to be in this program for 4 years now. He will make mistakes but they won't be "rookie mistakes". What's happening in this thread is not people downplaying Cousins, but underestimating Maxwell when the coaches and players say we shouldn't, that he's every bit, if not more, than Cousins. Yeah, Cousins was great, but you guys are acting like no one could possibly be better
Every one seems pretty confident about the WRs stepping in and stepping up, Do you guys recall in the Stanton and Hoyer years when our WRs always seemed to have a bad case of the drops? Last year, Martin and Cunningham had GREAT hands - very few drops (yes I know about Martin against UGA). To assume that a bunch of bench guys and freshman will have that type of skill and performance no matter who is throwing them the ball is a bit overly optimistic.
I hope I'm wrong, but it could take a while for anyone to be the "go-to" guy, and for the receivers as a group to be anywhere near the level of our guys last year.
From all reports, Maxwell is supposedly a better physical specimen than Cousins, and I think the program is in good hands. Physical tools are a great start, but the mental aspects of his game can only be advanced by playing on Saturdays. All the tricks and tactics the coaches use during practice to manufacture pressure pale in comparison to the action of gamedays.
The issue I had was with Spartan8ball anointing him a superstar before he even starts his first game, and then saying there is little pressure on him to perform. If anything, there is more pressure on him than there has been on any new Spartan QB that I can remember. The groundwork has been laid for sustained success for the first time since Duffy, and fans are expecting the program to take the next step. A few years ago, 8-4 would have been acceptable to many. Now, that would pretty much universally be seen as a failure.
Will the defense and running game be able to relieve some pressure? I hope so, but if a bunch of message board nerds like us think that our opponent's DC's aren't going to stack the box and force MSU to beat them with the pass early on next year, we're the delusional ones.
Those receivers have been playing with Maxwell for almost 3 years now though. We haven't been in a situation like this before in a while.
I've decided to not get my briefs in a bunch until I've actually seen this team perform in an actual game. Are there questions at receiver and QB, yes, jast as there were questions last year along the offensive line and linebacker. MSU weathered those storms and I trust in Dantonio and the staff that they are preparing this team to weather these.
Try and remember people that Dantonio is and has been establishing a program that will maintain a certain level of consistency. Gone are the days of just trying to build a team for a single run.
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