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Seriously. They've got back to back 11 win seasons with teams less talented than the one we have now.
This statement: perfectly reasonable.
Automatically pronouncing Maxwell an improvement at QB because he can run: batshit insane.
Maxwell might very well turn out to be a better quarterback. I doubt it, but of course anything's possible. But two lines of thought in this thread drive me nuts, and I can't understand either of them. First, why is there this blind certainty that a relatively unproven talent will instantly be superior to one of the best QBs we've ever had? And second, when the hell did a running QB become an instant panacea for every single team's ills?
I get the appeal of a running QB, as it's an extra ball-carrier a defense has to worry about. But I wouldn't even think twice about taking a cement-shoed 62% 2-1 TD/INT passer over a (hypothetical) mobile 55% 1-1 QB. That's not to say that there aren't very accurate and effective mobile QBs, but the vast majority of them are much closer to the latter than the former.
You guys are acting like Cousins was a Heisman finalist. He was a great quarterback and I will never be able to say that enough, but the coaches and even Cousins say that Maxwell will be an improvement. I don't know why it's hard to believe that Maxwell could be better than Cousins when each year this coaching staff has been here the talent has been getting better. Yeah, he'll make mistakes, but so did Cousins. Maxwell has been in the program going on 4 years now. He understands how the game works and now only has to get a feel for it.
Maxwell has better pocket presence. At times Cousins would look lost in that aspect. I actually seen Maxwell play at Midland and in the sping games. The kid is a legit talent. It has yet to be seen if he can do it in a real game, yes. Having smarts and talent is half of the battle. I look at the glass half full. Maxwell is more talented than Cousins. I tend to think if Kirk can be successful, it's a no brainer Andrew can.
This post was edited by Spartan8Ball 2 years ago
Lots of little facets in a smooth experienced offense. Turnovers are a product mostly of inexperience. A young WR runs a wrong route. A young QB panics in the face of a new blitz he has not seen before. A young player misses a block. We are losing quite a few key players with lots of experience on both sides of the ball. There is going to be some growing pains and we are not really sure which play makers are going to eventually step up. Especially in the WR/TE corp.
Cousins, Baker, Anderson, Celek, Linthicum, Cunningham, Martin, Nichol, Foreman, Worthy, Strayhorn, Pickelman, Robinson. Lots of game experience in that crew. Bell and OL will need to make a big step up to help the transition. 11th out of 12 in the Big 10 in rushing yardage will not cut it. The tough part is that defenses are going to stack the line to stop the run given our young and inexperienced passing game. Maxwell will be tested by every D cord and blitz. Last year defenses had to respect the passing game and our WR unit was the strength of the team. This is where Cousins experience and chemistry with BJ, Nichol and Kmart will be missed. So there are reasons for apprehension about the offense and the interior DL.
The difference is Cousins has done it on the field in hostile enviorns. But only after he suffered through a rough 6-7 rookie year taking his lumps and learning his lessons. This can't be accomplished in practice, only actual game experience allows QBs to make that jump. Kinda like Peyton Mannings rookie year in Indy. With the losses we have I think 8-4 will be a successful season and a realistic expectation. QB, WR, TE, DL, and even OL are all positions of concern. OL needs to make substantial improvement from last year.
Man, there are too many pessimists in this fanbase. Do back-to-back 11 win seasons and the coaches word not warrant any optimism for you guys? I guess not.
I know, I tried to spread some good karma around but, haters will hate. Cousins deserves fanboys, but he is gone. Time to embrace Andrew now.
Maxwell might or might not turn out to be as good as Kirk, but he doesn't need to be. This defense is lights-out. If Kirk had this defense in his first year, we probably win 4 more games.
Maxwell will throw some picks, but he will also thow alot of touches too. All reports say he has a live arm. They will stay balanced and sling it around some too.
Edit: This 8-4 talk is garbage. No reason this team can't repeat last years wins.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by SpartanGrad99 2 years ago
Final word: State is gonna kick some butt this season.
Can't wait to see it on the field!
14 - 0 baby!
This post was edited by Bender 2 years ago
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Question about Maxwell is the intangibles. I think he has the physical skill, likely better skills than KC, but how does he inspire/lead? If it turns out that he has equal leadership abilities, & can avoid some rookie miscues, the next 2 seasons could be amazing.
What you say is true. Thing is, every rookie doesn't necessarily make the same mistakes. What if Maxwell doesn't make any that cost the Spartans big? From what I've seen of him, he seems very cool.
People would be crazy to expect MD to field a team that wasn't ready to play. Maxwell is a 4th year player in the system who learned from MSU's best. No doubt he makes mistakes, KC did as a Senior. He's a different person though, and could very well surprise people and make it a seamless transition.
A) What's your point? Maxwell is a different player who has a different approach and likely better skills, what KC did doesn't figure into it, except that Maxwell learned from the best.
B) What's your point again. There's pressure? Always the case for a team that expects to play in Indy. I haven't seen anything yet that suggests Maxwell can't handle the pressure as well as KC did.
C) What if the WR's that play this season are better than the kids they replaced? Arnett could play this year, he has more experience than Fowler.
D) BSU isn't under the radar anymore, is in the same situation at QB, and lost far more starters than MSU. ND looking for redemption isn't anything new, and probably doesn't count for much. It's a payback game for MSU who lost a game they shouldn't have last season. I think "Urbanator's" first game at SS is going to be tougher for O$U than they expect. New coach w/ players in a different system in a tough environment. How do they have the edge?!
E) Pressure to perform on the field isn't new. MD & staff have brought talent in every class to create just that pressure. Gholston recently said something like: there's a guy behind me who can play & I have to improve every day. That's why the team is getting better, every guy there knows the guy behind him is hungry and can play. The Spartans believe in the dream, they're going to the Rose Bowl, possibly this season.
The whole point was that Maxwell will have pressure on him, much of it coming from places he has no control over. Handling the pressure from his teammates and coaches will be the least of his worries. The media and fans are another animal altogether. You need to look at the post I was responding to where the poster implies that Maxwell will have no pressure on him, before taking my response out of context,
But will Narduzzi be here or will he be a head coach somewhere?
After the near miss recently, MD is determining who he wants to fill the spot when it does happen. It will be a loss no doubt, but I'm sure MD and Hollis have been talking about how much money there will be to get/retain the best assistants. Whether the money is there or not is another matter.
As far as pressure on Maxwell goes, which college QB doesn't have it? It might actually be less on Maxwell because MSU is usually not taken seriously, even after going 22 - 5 the last couple of years. Watch the rankings come out and MSU be behind ND, OSU, um, PSU & UW despite those teams having new coaches, huge attrition, not having a win against MSU in years, etc. In ND's case, they at least beat MSU last season, but the O gameplan/playcalling was a disaster and the staff panicked to end the half. Still based on the entire season, MSU was the better team.
This post was edited by spartan80 2 years ago
I can assure you we'll be ranked ahead of ND, PSU and probably OSU. Maybe even UW.
This is a huge season, I think 10+ wins is likely, maybe even more, but this is the year we cannot have a backslide or people will say we just had one special class to produce those back to back 11 win seasons. We follow it up with 10+ wins and this program will be seen in a different light nationally.
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