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PSU Scandal: Discussion Thread - JoePa Officially Fired

  • Philly Spartan said... (original post)

    I just read the entire grand jury report, and I don't think anyone else is really at risk here. Paterno will not be forced to resign over this.

    What's your opinion on jail time for the A.D. and VP?

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  • Well - I guess this finally explains that sign in the PSU locker room.

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    Philly Spartan said... (original post)

    I just read the entire grand jury report, and I don't think anyone else is really at risk here. Paterno will not be forced to resign over this.

    Dude, I would go back and re-read Victim #2.

    JoPa is coaching his last year.

  • James McNulty said... (original post)

    Just like the President's statement, this quote from Paterno is really troubling me. In what way were you fooled Joe? The abuse was brought to your attention, and I don't care if McQueary skated around the specifics or told you in brutal details, YOU WERE TOLD THAT SOMETHING INAPPROPRIATE WAS HAPPENING. So spare me (and everyone else) this "fooled" bullshit. You weren't fooled. Curley and Schultz weren't fooled. You guys were given a clear pattern of behavior by a sick individual and chose to try and cover it up or ignore it.

    Maybe I'm getting too upset over this situation, I don't know. I mentioned earlier that my father-in-law (a PSU alum) felt like a fool (there's that word again) for believing PSU was doing things the right way. When I think about it, probably because of in laws, probably because they seem to share a lot of similarities with MSU, I've kind of come to be a quasi PSU fan. So much for that. What an abomination.

    I think that you and I are on the exact same page here. My In-laws are PSU grads also so I would route for them, I would take a good natured jab at Paterno, but a lot of that was because we have been through more coaches since he started then we have fingers on a hand. I haven't heard from my Father in Law about it yet, but I am sure he is disgusted, and he was the biggest Paterno supporter I know. Even this year he was defending him. And to tell you the truth I am not even going to contact him on this issue because it is below the belt. PSU fans/alumns just had their football world shattered. And it isn't their fault that this shit was covered up and all they did was give Paterno blind support even in the lean years. Hell their fanbase deserves better.

    And I agree this fooled bullshit is nonsense. Even if they didn't know the extent they knew of wrongdoings they should have put a stop to it. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

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  • DMBSparty said... (original post)

    And I agree this fooled bullshit is nonsense. Even if they didn't know the extent they knew of wrongdoings they should have put a stop to it. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

    When I read his statement, it really seemed to me like his sole interest is saving himself. The best way to do that is to come off as the sweet old confused man. Play the whole "I did what I could, I can't believe this was happening below me" card, continue to plead ignorance, watch Rome burn around you, and keep your job. As Nucky said, based on the grand jury report, their doesn't seem to be enough explicitly written in the report to indict JoePa of any major wrong doings. And once again, maybe JoePa really didn't know the full extent of what happened, but in my book, their is blood on his hands in this.

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  • Philly Spartan said... (original post)

    Calling the AD is the appropriate action in that situation. It's not like he's implicitly condoning the behavior...

    Hypothetical situation:

    You worked closely with a guy for over 10 years. You hear serious allegations that he's a pedophile. You know this guy runs a charity for boys. Does your reaction really stop with alerting your superior so your business/institution isn't harmed? You wouldn't follow up at all when no charges are brought?

    At best, JoePa failed his ethical duty miserably.

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  • James McNulty said... (original post)

    When I read his statement, it really seemed to me like his sole interest is saving himself. The best way to do that is to come off as the sweet old confused man. Play the whole "I did what I could, I can't believe this was happening below me" card, continue to plead ignorance, watch Rome burn around you, and keep your job. As Nucky said, based on the grand jury report, their doesn't seem to be enough explicitly written in the report to indict JoePa of any major wrong doings. And once again, maybe JoePa really didn't know the full extent of what happened, but in my book, their is blood on his hands in this.

    Exactly, no matter how it is spinned there is blood on the hands of everyone who knew anything and failed to report it.

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  • I find it interesting that the prosecutor in the freep article claims that JoePa may not testify. Why?? To protect his co-workers or does the AG have more up her sleeve and JoePa might not be out of the woods yet even though she says he isnt being charged.

  • Just read the 23 pg report by the Attorney General. Holy shit. One of the most fucked up things I've ever read. Everyone in the program had to have known at least something was up. Even if you didn't actually see Sandusky raping a little boy, you had to have thought it was weird that he was always showering, working out, wrestling, or in the sauna with 10-14 year old boys. I mean COME ON!

    That is so fucked up. Anyone defending Joe Pa, the PSU president, lead investigator for Penn State's University Police, the AD, or Shultz are just f'ed up. You can't tell me that those people didn't have an idea of what was going on. No way. Joe Pa should lose his job. If he didn't win 1,000 college football games, people would want his head on a stick. The rest of them should be fired and face potential jail time. There was a network of people covering up the things going on at Penn State. Why/how do I know? They banned the guy after a while from visiting Penn State facilities. Gee, I wonder why they randomly just banned the guy from PSU property. Unreal. They knew he was raping boys and they basically told him to do it at home from now on. HOLY FUCK! Say it aint so Joe. You went from college football icon to a sick individual that was content with letting your former DC rape little boys. Unbelievable. They can all go rot in hell. Joe Pa will be answering some questions in this life or the next. Tick, tock you sick fucks.

  • Philly Spartan said... (original post)

    Calling the AD is the appropriate action in that situation. It's not like he's implicitly condoning the behavior...

    Appropriate? No...bare minimum and enough to legally pass the buck? Maybe.

  • Harry Callahan said... (original post)

    Just read the 23 pg report by the Attorney General. Holy shit. One of the most fucked up things I've ever read. Everyone in the program had to have known at least something was up. Even if you didn't actually see Sandusky raping a little boy, you had to have thought it was weird that he was always showering, working out, wrestling, or in the sauna with 10-14 year old boys. I mean COME ON!

    That is so fucked up. Anyone defending Joe Pa, the PSU president, lead investigator for Penn State's University Police, the AD, or Shultz are just f'ed up. You can't tell me that those people didn't have an idea of what was going on. No way. Joe Pa should lose his job. If he didn't win 1,000 college football games, people would want his head on a stick. The rest of them should be fired and face potential jail time. There was a network of people covering up the things going on at Penn State. Why/how do I know? They banned the guy after a while from visiting Penn State facilities. Gee, I wonder why they randomly just banned the guy from PSU property. Unreal. They knew he was raping boys and they basically told him to do it at home from now on. HOLY FUCK! Say it aint so Joe. You went from college football icon to a sick individual that was content with letting your former DC rape little boys. Unbelievable. They can all go rot in hell. Joe Pa will be answering some questions in this life or the next. Tick, tock you sick fucks.

    just sayin, you have the best avatar and name for that rant

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  • Philly Spartan said... (original post)

    just sayin, you have the best avatar and name for that rant

    Dexter would be good in this situation as well....

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  • Well that's going to need to be changed.

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  • I think PSU will allow JoePa the dignity to resign due to health reasons but whoever is hired will be starting with a staff with little or no experience coaching at PSU.

    There will be more heads rolling. The AD's 10 day stall is why Paterno will be allowed to resign.

  • JoePa is a sly one

    What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...

  • Joe saying he didn't know just how fucked up this was makes little sense to me.

    You could leave out 99% of the details and the story wouldn't be any less fucked up.

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  • Dark Mantonio said... (original post)

    Well that's going to need to be changed.

    wow, awesome job psu. Was there anything about this guy that didnt scream gay pedophile

  • jpaw said... (original post)

    wow, awesome job psu. Was there anything about this guy that didnt scream gay pedophile

    How long have you been blessed with 20/20 hindsight?

    Get a clue, Sandusky was another PSU alum like Fran Ganter who played for PSU and spent over 30 after working for PSU then being a major figure in the community. (Ganter is still there as Assoc. AD and hasn't been named in any depositions.)

    Sandusky shows up at PSU in 1959 as a freshman (Paterno arrived in 1955) and was a grad asst for Paterno's first team in 1966. Sandusky was married, 6 adopted kids, foster kids, JoePa's trusted DC for the last half of his career. Had his foundation. Sandusky had cultivated the appearance of one of the great people in State College,

    That's why he was able to get away with this stuff for so long. Nobody would believe it.

  • The unconditional support statement by the university president is a real head scratcher on a political level if nothing else. The current governor, Tom Corbett, was the Attorney General when the current investigation started. Child protection was one of his points of emphasis. From the Attorney General's Website

    Tom Corbett returned as Attorney General on January 18, 2005 taking the oath of office as Pennsylvania's 5th elected Attorney General. He dedicated the resources of the office to make the Commonwealth a safer and better place for families to live, work and grow, declaring that "public safety is the single most important service that government can provide." Corbett created the Attorney General's Child Predator Unit to identify and capture Internet predators before they can harm children, as well as to educate kids and parents about online threats.

    The Attorney General's website has a summary of the Sandusky investigation linked on the homepage.

    As I pointed out earlier the Governor sits on the Penn State board along with 3 Cabinet secretaries and 6 appointees of the Governor. If it has not happened already I expect that the PSU president will be getting a call from the Governor asking WTF is this unconditional support stuff. I do not think the AD will be keeping his job and maybe not the president.

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    The State Constitution provides that the Attorney General shall be the chief law enforcement officer of the Commonwealth and shall exercise such powers and perform such duties as may be imposed by law. The Commonwealth Attorneys Act establishes the Attorney General as the chief legal and law enforcement officer of the Commonwealth.

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  • A couple questions.

    1. Am I the only one that is surprised that this wasn't leaked awhile ago? Me-Very surprised

    2. Am I the only one that thinks that this may be just the tip of the Iceberg? Once Yahoo, CNNSI and even some TV networks start investigating, that a lot more is going to come out? (we know ESPN isn't going to investigate, they never have and won't go after a major program.). Me- I think it is the tip of the Iceberg.

    3. Is it possible the NCAA or the Big Ten can sanction PSU for this? (The Baylor case is different becasue the Murder investgation uncovered that Baylor Coach Bliss was paying the murdered players and another players tuition, and Bliss told his team Dennehy, the murdered player was dealing drugs to pay tuition) Me - I don't know but I hope so, not because of the competition but because how bad this all is.

    4. Besides the legal ramifications of people getting sent to jail for the Rape and Perjury. How is PSU going to pay the civil trial costs? The statute of limitations goes to the victim reaches 50 years old in Molestation cases. Me- No clue Athletic funds?

    5. On a personal level, would you like PSU kicked out of the Big Ten for this? This surpasses just athletics since the VP and Campus police aided in the cover up and they allowed Sandusky on campus with the knowledge of the allegations. My Answer - yes. The Big Ten is the leading Academic BCS conference and should continue to have standards, and PSU is giving the Big Ten a bad name.

    6. How will Paterno be remembered? A great football coach who won more games then anyone else. Or a coach who stayed to long and was part of a longstanding child molestation cover up, thus tarnishing his legacy. - To me he is tarnished.

    Just some thoughts Questions that I want others opinions on.

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  • DMBSparty said... (original post)

    A couple questions.

    1. Am I the only one that is surprised that this wasn't leaked awhile ago? Me-Very surprised

    2. Am I the only one that thinks that this may be just the tip of the Iceberg? Once Yahoo, CNNSI and even some TV networks start investigating, that a lot more is going to come out? (we know ESPN isn't going to investigate, they never have and won't go after a major program.). Me- I think it is the tip of the Iceberg.

    3. Is it possible the NCAA or the Big Ten can sanction PSU for this? (The Baylor case is different becasue the Murder investgation uncovered that Baylor Coach Bliss was paying the murdered players and another players tuition, and Bliss told his team Dennehy, the murdered player was dealing drugs to pay tuition) Me - I don't know but I hope so, not because of the competition but because how bad this all is.

    4. Besides the legal ramifications of people getting sent to jail for the Rape and Perjury. How is PSU going to pay the civil trial costs? The statute of limitations goes to the victim reaches 50 years old in Molestation cases. Me- No clue Athletic funds?

    5. On a personal level, would you like PSU kicked out of the Big Ten for this? This surpasses just athletics since the VP and Campus police aided in the cover up and they allowed Sandusky on campus with the knowledge of the allegations. My Answer - yes. The Big Ten is the leading Academic BCS conference and should continue to have standards, and PSU is giving the Big Ten a bad name.

    6. How will Paterno be remembered? A great football coach who won more games then anyone else. Or a coach who stayed to long and was part of a longstanding child molestation cover up, thus tarnishing his legacy. - To me he is tarnished.

    Just some thoughts Questions that I want others opinions on.

    The NCAA and Big Ten need to back off for now. This is a very sensitive case and the legal process needs to play out, especially when it comes to interviews. Neither the Big Ten nor the NCAA Infractions Committee have anything close to the expertise needed to handle a case with a sensitive nature like this one. Hell, the NCAA drops the ball on incidents far better than this one. A vast majority of this case needs to be handled by those skilled in interviewing children that are victims in sexual abuse cases along with other witnesses.

    The RCMB...is one of the most awful, alarming, inappropriate, disgusting, and offensive msg boards in the history of the internet.

  • DMBSparty said... (original post)

    A couple questions.

    1. Am I the only one that is surprised that this wasn't leaked awhile ago? Me-Very surprised

    2. Am I the only one that thinks that this may be just the tip of the Iceberg? Once Yahoo, CNNSI and even some TV networks start investigating, that a lot more is going to come out? (we know ESPN isn't going to investigate, they never have and won't go after a major program.). Me- I think it is the tip of the Iceberg.

    3. Is it possible the NCAA or the Big Ten can sanction PSU for this? (The Baylor case is different becasue the Murder investgation uncovered that Baylor Coach Bliss was paying the murdered players and another players tuition, and Bliss told his team Dennehy, the murdered player was dealing drugs to pay tuition) Me - I don't know but I hope so, not because of the competition but because how bad this all is.

    4. Besides the legal ramifications of people getting sent to jail for the Rape and Perjury. How is PSU going to pay the civil trial costs? The statute of limitations goes to the victim reaches 50 years old in Molestation cases. Me- No clue Athletic funds?

    5. On a personal level, would you like PSU kicked out of the Big Ten for this? This surpasses just athletics since the VP and Campus police aided in the cover up and they allowed Sandusky on campus with the knowledge of the allegations. My Answer - yes. The Big Ten is the leading Academic BCS conference and should continue to have standards, and PSU is giving the Big Ten a bad name.

    6. How will Paterno be remembered? A great football coach who won more games then anyone else. Or a coach who stayed to long and was part of a longstanding child molestation cover up, thus tarnishing his legacy. - To me he is tarnished.

    Just some thoughts Questions that I want others opinions on.

    I'm with you on all counts except for Penn State getting kicked out of the B1G. I do support Penn State being sanctioned with some sort of penalty that hurts their football program.

    I have a feeling that Penn State ends up cleaning house and hiring Saban or Meyer.

  • Foot B Dude2001

    I'm sorry, but the thing I keep coming back to, and I know this has already been addressed in the thready, but for the love of God, WHY DID NO ONE CALL THE POLICE?

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  • DMBSparty said... (original post)

    A couple questions.

    1. Am I the only one that is surprised that this wasn't leaked awhile ago? Me-Very surprised

    2. Am I the only one that thinks that this may be just the tip of the Iceberg? Once Yahoo, CNNSI and even some TV networks start investigating, that a lot more is going to come out? (we know ESPN isn't going to investigate, they never have and won't go after a major program.). Me- I think it is the tip of the Iceberg.

    3. Is it possible the NCAA or the Big Ten can sanction PSU for this? (The Baylor case is different becasue the Murder investgation uncovered that Baylor Coach Bliss was paying the murdered players and another players tuition, and Bliss told his team Dennehy, the murdered player was dealing drugs to pay tuition) Me - I don't know but I hope so, not because of the competition but because how bad this all is.

    4. Besides the legal ramifications of people getting sent to jail for the Rape and Perjury. How is PSU going to pay the civil trial costs? The statute of limitations goes to the victim reaches 50 years old in Molestation cases. Me- No clue Athletic funds?

    5. On a personal level, would you like PSU kicked out of the Big Ten for this? This surpasses just athletics since the VP and Campus police aided in the cover up and they allowed Sandusky on campus with the knowledge of the allegations. My Answer - yes. The Big Ten is the leading Academic BCS conference and should continue to have standards, and PSU is giving the Big Ten a bad name.

    6. How will Paterno be remembered? A great football coach who won more games then anyone else. Or a coach who stayed to long and was part of a longstanding child molestation cover up, thus tarnishing his legacy. - To me he is tarnished.

    Just some thoughts Questions that I want others opinions on.

    Quick thoughts:

    1. People in Pennsylvania claim that they've heard the rumors for at least 10 years. Others in the media have alluded to Paterno not quite being the grandfatherly disciplinarian he likes to portray. I think allegations like this are toxic to anyone that touches them, until you get something like the power of a grand jury behind it. With 8 cooperating witnesses, it's a story. With just 1 or 2, the victims would be ostracized.

    2. Probably the tip of the ice berg. I don't know how much more will come out, but systematic coverups of indiscretions in the athletic department will be unearthed. Most will be relatively minor (what isn't compared to this), but it will point to a pattern.

    3. The NCAA and B1G don't really have any authority here. Maybe some type of censure letter, for breaking a "Morality Clause" type of bylaw, but that's about it.

    4. PSU will be paying out tens of millions to the 8 known victims. More to follow I imagine. This could end up costing them in the 9 figure range when it's all done. The athletic department can't cover a tab like that, it will be general fund money.

    5. I don't see how you can kick PSU out of the B1G. I imagine most PSU faculty, students and alums are disgusted by this. Again, I think a censure letter and a stern "Don't do that!" will be all that comes of it from the conference.

    6. The first line in Paterno's obituary will be "the winningest coach in major college football". The 2nd line will be "retired in shame for his role in the cover up of a child molestation scandal".

  • 11RamGuy said... (original post)

    I just never allowed myself to be a victim. In fact, I rarely even thought of it unless I drove past the place where the shop was. I never felt like I was being taken advantage of. I felt like I was getting something in return for it, which was a Bret Saberhagen rookie card or an 85 Topps Traded set. I realize about not being able to consent to things under a certain age, but I was never forced to do what I did. I can imagine being forced into it would be much more terrible and have a lot of potential for lifelong trauma.

    If you are for real, you are suppressing things.