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PSU Scandal: Discussion Thread - JoePa Officially Fired

  • Victory for MSU

    Dr Leo Spaceman said... (original post)

    The part that stuck out to me is the sinking feeling all the workers, parents, teachers, etc. who referred kids to second mile. You would have to live with knowing you sent kids who had already been given a shitty hand into the lair of a child rapist.

    Even not knowing any better, i would have a very difficult time living with that knowledge after the fact.

    It amazes me how this hasn't been brought to light sooner.

    He was having kids SLEEP OVER AT HIS HOUSE OVER NIGHT on multiple occasions! How does no one get wind of this? This should never ever ever ever ever ever ever happen!

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  • Foot B Dude2001

    Here's the full grand jury finding of facts if anyone's interested. It's disgusting. SIAP.

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    http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf

    http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf

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  • Dr Leo Spaceman

    Victory for MSU said... (original post)

    It amazes me how this hasn't been brought to light sooner.

    He was having kids SLEEP OVER AT HIS HOUSE OVER NIGHT on multiple occasions! How does no one get wind of this? This should never ever ever ever ever ever ever happen!

    It mentioned the boy who he brought on road games was only there when his wife wasnt but....mwas she in the home? What did she know?

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  • Victory for MSU said... (original post)

    It amazes me how this hasn't been brought to light sooner.

    He was having kids SLEEP OVER AT HIS HOUSE OVER NIGHT on multiple occasions! How does no one get wind of this? This should never ever ever ever ever ever ever happen!

    Yeah I don't know how anyone ever thinks this is right. An adult should not be having kids stay the night at his house ever! Unless they are his Children or a trusted family member or very close friend that is babysitting. This whole thing is weird. People need to fry over this.

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  • GRR Spartan said... (original post)

    PM Mel or talk to a social worker or a member of law enforcement. Let them tell you stories about trusted people who turn out to be serial child molesters.

    Guys like Sandusky hide in plain sight. They are masters of gaining people's confidence and using their positions to intimidate victims. Paterno had know the guy since 1963 or earlier since JoePa was a PSU assistant since 1955 and you figure Sandusky was recruited to play football at PSU in the fall of 1962 at the latest.

    Paterno should have gone to the PSU Campus Police or the county sheriff with the grad asst. before he informed the AD of the allegations. He didn't. Probably because he had been getting conned by Sandusky for years just like Sandusky conned others in the community.

    Do you molest boys or something? Conned? are you retarted? I don't care if it was my brother, if someone told me that you better believe the police would be involved immediately.

  • Victory for MSU said... (original post)

    It amazes me how this hasn't been brought to light sooner.

    He was having kids SLEEP OVER AT HIS HOUSE OVER NIGHT on multiple occasions! How does no one get wind of this? This should never ever ever ever ever ever ever happen!

    They slept in my bed we had milk and cookies, it was all innocent.

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  • Dr Leo Spaceman

    DMBSparty said... (original post)

    Yeah I don't know how anyone ever thinks this is right. An adult should not be having kids stay the night at his house ever! Unless they are his Children or a trusted family member or very close friend that is babysitting. This whole thing is weird. People need to fry over this.

    They mentioned that there were times where several boys slept over... If he had the relationship with some of these kids that i would assume he would have to in order to pull off these deplorable acts, the parents had to have some trust there.

    Also, these are kids from broken homes, a mother might have to work nights... Might have felt sandusky was a father figure, etc. there are situations i can see where a parent would feel it okay... Obviously it wasnt but... We know that now

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    Imisspancheros said... (original post)

    Do you molest boys or something? Conned? are you retarted? I don't care if it was my brother, if someone told me that you better believe the police would be involved immediately.

    I think he is saying joepa probably didnt want to believe it to be true and once he came to grips with the reality of the situation felt ashamed that he never knew or saw it sooner...

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  • Victory for MSU

    Philly Spartan said... (original post)

    Here's the full grand jury finding of facts if anyone's interested. It's disgusting. SIAP.

    Thanks for posting this. I was only able to get through Victim 1.

    This is some seriously disturbing acts, but what is even more disturbing is the amount supporting evidence that is involved. I'm stunned how this hasn't been made public sooner.

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  • Dr Leo Spaceman

    Victory for MSU said... (original post)

    Thanks for posting this. I was only able to get through Victim 1.

    This is some seriously disturbing acts, but what is even more disturbing is the amount supporting evidence that is involved. I'm stunned how this hasn't been made public sooner.

    Victim 2 is pretty much where i wanted to go take care of the sick fuck myself

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  • Victory for MSU

    Dr Leo Spaceman said... (original post)

    Victim 2 is pretty much where i wanted to go take care of the sick fuck myself

    I ended up going there. It's sickening across the board how this never got reported to child protective services.

    Everyone who caught wind of this should be prosecuted to the fullest extent for not reporting this immediately. gun

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  • Dr Leo Spaceman said... (original post)

    They mentioned that there were times where several boys slept over... If he had the relationship with some of these kids that i would assume he would have to in order to pull off these deplorable acts, the parents had to have some trust there.

    Also, these are kids from broken homes, a mother might have to work nights... Might have felt sandusky was a father figure, etc. there are situations i can see where a parent would feel it okay... Obviously it wasnt but... We know that now

    I guess and it is easier for me to say as my children will not be in that posistion and I obviously know my parents and my In-Laws aren't like that. And my sisters have kids my kids age so it is different. But honestly I am not sure I would allow my kid to stay at a non-family members house unless I knew them for years and considered them family. Or if it was with a friend at a sleepover situation but then I would have to know the parents.

    This shit is scary, there are so many predators out there that you have to be so careful what you allow your kids to do. I guess it is really important to teach them at a young age what is appropriate and what is not. Andd hopefully they would tell you. I have a 9 year old nephew and I can see how they could be manipulated very easily. That is a lot younger then some people think. Just disgusting and there will be a special place in hell for him, Hopefully these kids get a lot of counseling because a lot of times people who were molested do the same without proper phsychologial help.

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  • Dr Leo Spaceman

    DMBSparty said... (original post)

    I guess and it is easier for me to say as my children will not be in that posistion and I obviously know my parents and my In-Laws aren't like that. And my sisters have kids my kids age so it is different. But honestly I am not sure I would allow my kid to stay at a non-family members house unless I knew them for years and considered them family. Or if it was with a friend at a sleepover situation but then I would have to know the parents.

    This shit is scary, there are so many predators out there that you have to be so careful what you allow your kids to do. I guess it is really important to teach them at a young age what is appropriate and what is not. Andd hopefully they would tell you. I have a 9 year old nephew and I can see how they could be manipulated very easily. That is a lot younger then some people think. Just disgusting and there will be a special place in hell for him, Hopefully these kids get a lot of counseling because a lot of times people who were molested do the same without proper phsychologial help.

    We read our kid the bernstein bears "dont talk to strangers" book every now and again.

    She refuses to talk to stranger, or bears.

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  • DMBSparty said... (original post)

    I guess and it is easier for me to say as my children will not be in that posistion and I obviously know my parents and my In-Laws aren't like that. And my sisters have kids my kids age so it is different. But honestly I am not sure I would allow my kid to stay at a non-family members house unless I knew them for years and considered them family. Or if it was with a friend at a sleepover situation but then I would have to know the parent

    I think the problem is that a lot of times these people are like family in the minds of the parents

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  • So would Sandusky be less culpable if he just killed these kids instead of raping them? Is rape worse than murder or not?

  • Dude is fully investigated by "PSU Police" in 1998 , who answer to the President (what!) Cleared of charges, has one kid with him all the time for FOUR YEARS, considered his "companion" by the team.

    Sandusky continues to give kids drugs, gifts, and promises of making the psu football team to take advantage of them

    This crap goes down in 2002, cover up starts right with Joepa. Dude is still bringing kids to campus and the football team in 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    If this doesnt scream "lack of institutional control" then what does???? I know the ncaa rules dont get into this kind of crime but if any school didnt deserve the Death Penalty then who does??? What Penn State has done compared to Smu paying players with camaros is like comparing blowing up a plane to deer hunting!!!!!

    after reading more this is my stance: Penn STATE football needs the death penalty!! All football players should be released to any school as those kids dont have anything to do with this but punishment needs to fit the crime for PSU. B1G needs to drop them from the conference.

  • Imisspancheros said... (original post)

    Do you molest boys or something? Conned? are you retarted? I don't care if it was my brother, if someone told me that you better believe the police would be involved immediately.

    If you are parent who wants to coach a youth team you will get the speech as you are handed the background check permision slip that you sign a gives the league/organization to do a background check before you can coach. If you ever apply to be an AAU coach, youth hockey, Little League, USTA coach or HS or middle school coach you will get the same explanation.

    Then you won't be as naive about child predators as it appears you currently are. After what happened in hockey, gymnastics and several other sports where the sanctioning body or sponsor got sued for lack of background checks and letting predators coach kids life has changed.

    But guys like Sandusky were doing stuff for years. They gain the confidence of important people in the community and in his case worked side by side with Joe Paterno for 30 years. After all if JoePa thinks he a good guy and he's worked at PSU for that long, why should anyone not trust Jerry Sandusky? I'll bet he often was able to get around ever being questioned on this stuff because of who he was.

    That's how the con starts. He gets a victim and after the fact, then what? If the victim musters up the courage to tell someone who might be able to help, who are you going to believe? The pillar or the community who set up a foundation for kids, a guy who was on JoePa's coaching staff for 30 years and lived in State College since 1963 except for 2 years where he coached elsewhere or some 10-16 year old troubled kid?

    Its insidious, its evil, its the devil who you have known, trusted for years except you never saw the devil until facts come out and then you can't believe you had been blinded to the evil for so many years.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by GRR Spartan 3 years ago

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    edit:

    meant to quote tDanB

    wtf is wrong with you?

    This post was edited by tig ol bitties1 3 years ago

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  • Dr Leo Spaceman

    GRR Spartan said... (original post)

    If you are parent who wants to coach a youth team you will get the speech as you are handed the background check permision slip that you sign a gives the league/organization to do a background check before you can coach. If you ever apply to be an AAU coach, youth hockey, Little League, USTA coach or HS or middle school coach you will get the same explanation.

    Then you won't be as naive about child predators as it appears you currently are. After what happened in hockey, gymnastics and several other sports where the sanctioning body or sponsor got sued for lack of background checks and letting predators coach kids life has changed.

    But guys like Sandusky were doing stuff for years. They gain the confidence of important people in the community and in his case worked side by side with Joe Paterno for 30 years. After all if JoePa thinks he a good guy and he's worked at PSU for that long, why should anyone not trust Jerry Sandusky?

    That's how the con starts. He gets a victim and after the fact, then what? If the victim musters up the courage to tell someone who might be able to help, who are you going to believe? The pillar or the community who set up a foundation for kids, a guy who was on JoePa's coaching staff for 30 years and lived in State College since 1963 except for 2 years where he coached elsewhere or some 10-16 year old troubled kid?

    Not a stretch to assume that he felt a certain amount of pride in his long time student, collegue,and friend had created a charity for at risk boys.

    Imagine thinking that for 25 years then learning it was all a ruse to cornhole 10 year olds.

    Would you be sorta shocked?

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  • Raytooth Morgan

    GRR Spartan said... (original post)

    If you are parent who wants to coach a youth team you will get the speech as you are handed the background check permision slip that you sign a gives the league/organization to do a background check before you can coach. If you ever apply to be an AAU coach, youth hockey, Little League, USTA coach or HS or middle school coach you will get the same explanation.

    Then you won't be as naive about child predators as it appears you currently are. After what happened in hockey, gymnastics and several other sports where the sanctioning body or sponsor got sued for lack of background checks and letting predators coach kids life has changed.

    But guys like Sandusky were doing stuff for years. They gain the confidence of important people in the community and in his case worked side by side with Joe Paterno for 30 years. After all if JoePa thinks he a good guy and he's worked at PSU for that long, why should anyone not trust Jerry Sandusky?

    That's how the con starts. He gets a victim and after the fact, then what? If the victim musters up the courage to tell someone who might be able to help, who are you going to believe? The pillar or the community who set up a foundation for kids, a guy who was on JoePa's coaching staff for 30 years and lived in State College since 1963 except for 2 years where he coached elsewhere or some 10-16 year old troubled kid?

    GRR is dead on. Sandusky set himself up by becoming a pillar in the community. He targeted young kids who would not be believed over him.

    Posting member of tRCMB since 1997. It is ALWAYS a great day to be a Spartan!!!!

  • GRR Spartan said... (original post)

    If you are parent who wants to coach a youth team you will get the speech as you are handed the background check permision slip that you sign a gives the league/organization to do a background check before you can coach. If you ever apply to be an AAU coach, youth hockey, Little League, USTA coach or HS or middle school coach you will get the same explanation.

    Then you won't be as naive about child predators as it appears you currently are. After what happened in hockey, gymnastics and several other sports where the sanctioning body or sponsor got sued for lack of background checks and letting predators coach kids life has changed.

    But guys like Sandusky were doing stuff for years. They gain the confidence of important people in the community and in his case worked side by side with Joe Paterno for 30 years. After all if JoePa thinks he a good guy and he's worked at PSU for that long, why should anyone not trust Jerry Sandusky?

    That's how the con starts. He gets a victim and after the fact, then what? If the victim musters up the courage to tell someone who might be able to help, who are you going to believe? The pillar or the community who set up a foundation for kids, a guy who was on JoePa's coaching staff for 30 years and lived in State College since 1963 except for 2 years where he coached elsewhere or some 10-16 year old troubled kid?

    The background checks you mention are used for church youth group leaders as well (at least non-muslim).

    The con you cite GRR goes well beyond this situation. If my kid goes to the most prestigious catholic university in the land and dies under suspicious circumstances the university and it's officials couldn't possibly be culpable. and if so, they'll pay me a handsome sum to shut up about it.

  • GRR Spartan said... (original post)

    If you are parent who wants to coach a youth team you will get the speech as you are handed the background check permision slip that you sign a gives the league/organization to do a background check before you can coach. If you ever apply to be an AAU coach, youth hockey, Little League, USTA coach or HS or middle school coach you will get the same explanation.

    Then you won't be as naive about child predators as it appears you currently are. After what happened in hockey, gymnastics and several other sports where the sanctioning body or sponsor got sued for lack of background checks and letting predators coach kids life has changed.

    But guys like Sandusky were doing stuff for years. They gain the confidence of important people in the community and in his case worked side by side with Joe Paterno for 30 years. After all if JoePa thinks he a good guy and he's worked at PSU for that long, why should anyone not trust Jerry Sandusky?

    That's how the con starts. He gets a victim and after the fact, then what? If the victim musters up the courage to tell someone who might be able to help, who are you going to believe? The pillar or the community who set up a foundation for kids, a guy who was on JoePa's coaching staff for 30 years and lived in State College since 1963 except for 2 years where he coached elsewhere or some 10-16 year old troubled kid?

    A credible 28 year old man who is an assistant to your football team tells you he saw a man (that you have known your whole life) raping a 10 year old in a shower, the same shower that your entire team showers in everyday. Who do you involve? This is not rocket science.

  • Foot B Dude2001

    tDanB said... (original post)

    So would Sandusky be less culpable if he just killed these kids instead of raping them? Is rape worse than murder or not?

    You know what, Dan? I have a lot higher tolerance for you than do most of the posters on this board, but you're way off on this one. I'm gonna go ahead and assume you're referring back to the Kelly thing in this post. KELLY DIDN'T KILL ANYONE. A student manager tragically and unfortunately died on his watch, but it's not like Kelly was like "Hey, I'm gonna kill this kid today." That's not what happened. Sandusky used his position in the community to violate the public trust and the innocences of any number of little boys. If you can't see the difference there, I'm embarrassed for you.

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  • Raytooth Morgan

    To take it a step further Happy Valley is a relatively small. close knit community. Nobody wants to believe that Sandusky could do that. Anything that was mentioned in the past about this was dismissed. Noone is going to believe the at risk kid who probably has been a troublemaker at some point because they don't want to believe a friend and pillar of the community could do something so heinous and evil.

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  • Raytooth Morgan

    Imisspancheros said... (original post)

    A credible 28 year old man who is an assistant to your football team tells you he saw a man (that you have known your whole life) raping a 10 year old in a shower, the same shower that your entire team showers in everyday. Who do you involve? This is not rocket science.

    I'm willing to bet JoePa did NOT want to believe this could possibly be true about such a close friend. He refers it to his superiors, doesn't hear anything further about it and assumes the 28 year old was mistaken. This occurs because he just doesn't want to think his friend and colleague could possibly do something like that. Not saying its right, but reality.

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