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With civil suits looming, this story will stay fresh in the minds of everyone. NO matter how much these recruits loved Penn st growing up, they will flip by Signing day. I can only imagine dealing with these sanctions each and every day for the next 6 months, let alone for the next 4 years. I hope these players, coaches and everyone involved continue to stay strong and united but In the end i think it's just to overwhelming and a distraction and you will have recruits doing what is best for them as a football players. I won't go into it much more as the whole situation is still so sickening, but bottom line, They might not flip to Penn St biggest rivals, but they will flip.
Six members of Penn State 2013 recruiting class stick with Nittany Lions
Published: Saturday, July 28, 2012, 5:41 PM
By ANDREW P. SHAY, The Patriot-News
Cedar Cliff tight end Adam Breneman, Virginia quarterback Christian Hackenberg, Hershey offensive tackle Andrew Nelson, Philadelphia Roman Catholic wide receiver Will Fuller, New Jersey offensive lineman Brenda Mahon and New Jersey defensive end Garrett Sickels all pledged to stick to their earlier verbal declarations for Penn State.
Quarterback Christian Hackenberg and tight end Adam Breneman were two of the six who affirmed their commitment to Penn State Saturday.
For now . . . .
Let's see how things shape up on NSD.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
totally agree: it's all warm and fuzzy now and O'brien is singing kumbaya but in time...they'll leave because it's the smart thing to do. Then Ped State will be reduced to rubble: think Indiana and Minnesota. Bad enough that joepa will spin in his grave.
...spin enough to look the other way.
I was about to say something similiar .... Indiana still gets recruits ... and some good ones. PSU still has more cache even though (like Indiana) they won't be playing in any bowl games for awhile.
The NCAA sanctions will not hurt as much as many here had hoped. Kids who dreamed of playing for PSU will still play there.
Those 6 kids ain't going anywhere -- they've been the most enthusiastic about PSU from the start and this weekend was them pulling even closer together.
Johnson and Bradshaw seem most likely to flip, and maybe some of the other 4 who didn't make it this weekend. One couldn't get a ride, another was at the shore with family, and another lives in Florida. But Johnson and Bradshaw just didn't seem interesting in joining the others, so they appear to be checking other options.
Wait until PSU goes 6-6 or worse this year. I don't take anything these guys say seriously until they sign on the dotted line.
Not just that, but this scandal is going to be in the media all season- the sentencing, whether or not he actually appeals, the civil suits, etc.
.........bravo my spartan brother: BRAVO........
"The NCAA sanctions will not hurt as much as many here had hoped. Kids who dreamed of playing for PSU will still play there.''
.................UHHHHHHHHHHHHH........NO effing WAY is that true man....especially with regard to the scholarship reductions: 65 instead of 85? C'mon bro: wake up. They gone: for about 7 years I'd say.....
Pretty grotesque the pressure being put on recruits and players by the PSU cult to "ride out the wave of NCAA injustice #teamoutlaw" bullshit that they're spreading. Recruits that don't want to play championship football are rare.
"losing Caleb Benenoch is a blow that Dantonio will never recover from. Izzo has lost it as well. Hoke and Beilein own the state."
Likely not as much pressure as you may think.
Lets put this in Michigan terms. Imagine if MSU was in Grand Rapids and um and Eastern were the only other D1 schools in the state. Now imagine if um got a similar set of sanctions. They would still get kids wanting to play there.
The are being sold the idea that they have the opportunity to be part of the group that pulls Penn State through this difficult period. Isn't that more important than no bowl game until their senior year? They are also being sold the idea that most of the the coaches have NFL coaching experience and will able prepare the players for the NFL.
yep, that's the tact O'brien is taking: good luck with that Bill. You're going to need it.
Haters gonna hate. You may think it's a crock of s***, but it's the truth. The kids that stay and help keep the program alive/relevant will be responsible for all the future success the program has. They'll be like Kentucky Basketball's "Unforgettables." For PA and some NJ kids, the chance to live on forever through the biggest college football team/influence in your area is hard to pass up. Of course some kids are just looking for the flash (Robert Foster, Paul Harris, etc.) but PSU has never really gotten those kids anyway. Also these sanctions hurt less and less as the years go by. Some 2014 kids have already said its sucks, but it's not that big of a deal to them. As long as those 65 scholarships kids are big time players, you're going to compete.
So while you guys are playing for B1G championships, these kids will be playing for immortality. Legend never die bro. (and yes, it's a tough sell to high school kids.)
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If a player has NFL talent, then the NFL will find him no matter where he plays.
O'Brien won't be any better at getting players to the NFL than most other coaches.
O'Brien is selling these kids a crock of shit.
I tend to agree with this. However, there is no denying the success players coached by Ron Vanderlinden and LJ Sr. have in the NFL. But at the end of the day, ESPN, B1G Network, and other media outlets keep saying that O'Brien and staff will help produce NFL talent better than most teams. And ESPN is who these kids listen to, right or wrong.
We may be surprised how few players transfer by fall camp, however, by next February I believe there will be a fairly large group that will want to leave.
The whole, "We are PSU, us against the world" that has been put forth will eventually start to wear off. The biggest challenge for O'Brien will be keeping that team focused throughout the year.
The questions and media swirl are not going to stop for the entire season. If they can get through at say, 7-5, or possibly 8-4, then maybe he can convince some talent to stay. The problem is going to be if they lose focus and lose to some teams they shouldn't lose to, especially early.
"Legend never die bro"... Joepa is pretty dead...and so is his legendary status.
I'm glad PSU has fans that are unwavering because their players are going to need that support system for awhile.
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I posted this last night, just as the whole thing was down for the new composite rankings. Anyways . . .
PSU may continue to get a couple of 4-stars that are willing to stick it through. The problem is that, unlike USC, PSU a) hasn't recruited close to USC's level in a long time and b) are limited to just 15 scholarships/class no matter what, unlike USC, who was able to bring in as many kids as possible so long as they stayed at 75 guys overall.
Here are PSU's last 5 Rivals recruiting ranks (2008-2012):
That's solid recruiting, but not spectacular. What you're saying is that not only will PSU sustain their previous years recruiting, but they could actually IMPROVE . . . because that's what it would take for PSU to survive these sanctions in tact.
Now, it's not impossible, but it is unlikely. I think you'll have a couple of dyed-in-the-wool PSU alumni fans who commit to PSU no matter what, but just about all of the upper-level kids from Maryland, NJ, D.C.and all of your other secondary recruiting states will go elsewhere. I think it'll be enough to field a solid starting 22, but man, one or two injuries will leave you with some pretty low depth at positions.
Does anyone know the time frame that these kids have to decide? Will they have the same opportunity to transfer without losing a year after this season as they do right now, or do they pretty much have to decide what they are doing a month before the season starts?
Bottom Line: Give this situation some time and by the time signing day comes most of these guys will not be signing with Penn St...
No matter how O'brien pitches it, here are some easy facts about scholarship depth, especially in a major conference like the BIG10. If you can only have (x) amount of scholarships, then you have to be really efficient on the limited players who you offer and sign. When that limited group of players is also smaller than your normal recruiting target base, based on sanctions, then you really start to pose issues to coaching staff to put a good team on the field. Now try telling elite recruits, lets just say Hackenberg, that they should come play for you because you are the only QB they are taking, etc. Now try and keep a straight face telling Hackenberg who you are going to surround him with. NFL scouts can spot NFL talent anywhere, but for instance QB is a very confidence based position, and if you have limited talent around you, that can and will effect your development as a player, let alone your draft position. Not only will limited talent be a issue, again as mentioned before, injuries in a major conference like the BIG10 Happen. Again, This will not end pretty for Penn St... it won't cripple them forever but it will take it's toll for the next 4 to 6 years.
And just some of the many reasons why Usc sanctions are not even close to the same as Penn St is that this is a tragedy, not some pay for play scheme. This will be used as a precedent in future punishment cases and for better or worse will not go away quietly. Try as a human being, not even as a recruit explaining and trying to defend your alma mater, in the wake of this. Every time your friends, other coaches, parents, etc ask where you are going to school to become a NFL prospect, and a better human being, your answer will be Penn St. We all know what those people asking that question will say next.
It is very unfortunate that this has happened, but it's just not likely, that all these players stay with Penn St, even if they have had posters and game tickets since birth. In the end these kids/ recruits have to do what is best for them as athletes and going to a walking wounded program that hasn't seen the bottom as far as fielding a team standpoint goes, it just isn't going to happen.
Another member of Penn State 2013 class affirms commitment
Published: Monday, July 30, 2012, 5:03 PM
By ANDREW P. SHAY, The Patriot-News
Council Rock North defensive end Curtis Cothran is the seventh member of the Penn State 2013 recruiting class to affirm his commitment to the Nittany Lions according to a post on Twitter by Blue-White Illustrated's Ryan Snyder.
Seven of the 12 members of Penn State's 2013 class have declared they are sticking with the Nittany Lions.
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