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O'Brien is doing an excellent job of convincing recruits to pass up scholarship offers to walk-on at Penn State. He apparently has a better grade of snake oil than even Rich Rod.
2 more WPIAL products to ‘run-on’ at PSU
By Scott Brown
Published: Friday, February 1, 2013, 6:05 p.m.
Penn State has added two more WPIAL products, as Franklin Regional linebacker Carter Henderson and Blackhawk running back Cole Chiappialle told coach Bill O'Brien that they plan to enroll as invited walk-ons.
Chiappialle and Henderson received interest from smaller Division I school and Division II powers.
Penn State, per sanctions, is allowed to offer only 15 scholarships a year for the next four years (the maximum for schools not on probation is 25). It has 17 recruits for its 2013 class, though five of them have enrolled early and will count toward the 2012 class.
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To be fair, according to 247 only 1 of the 3 guys mentioned in the article even had an FCS offer. Most big state schools will get a couple guys like that every year. Like us getting Matt Macksood last year.
I understand that every school gets a few walk-ons with offers elsewhere. But Penn State has taken to another level. They are up to 19 as of this morning. They have an out of state. quarterback http://247sports.com/Player/Jack-Seymour-20529 with a Western Michigan offer. Here is a link to a column on the Penn State board about the "run-ons" http://pennstate.247sports.com/Article/Run-ons-will-play-huge-role-in-Penn-State-future-114368
As father paying for college tuition I have always been a little surprised by kids turning down even Division II scholarships to walk-on. This is particularly the case for an out of state student. And yes I know that the Spartans get those.
I guess it is a numbers game. If even one out of twenty potential walk-on targets go to Penn State it would be a large number. One thing Penn State has going for is its place in Pennsylvania Division I football. Over the years they have been the clear number one program even when Pitt was doing well. Temple is always a distant Number 3. An that is it for Division I (FBS) football in Pennsylvania.
Pennsylvania has a good number of Division I FCS school and a large number of Division II schools. Those are the programs where the Penn State walk-ons would get scholarships. One final thing to know. Penn State has the highest instate tuition of the public schools in the B1G.
The run-ons being added to Penn States roster will likely do a lot more than fill the scout team during the next few seasons.
I can see how run-ons will be very beneficial to the future of Penn State football because football is a game where many players are needed and depth is such a critical issue for any coach Michigan State fans know this all too well as many years this has been the straw that broke the camel's back This past season is a good example of that as an offensive line that was decimated by injuries became a key factor in a number of close losses by MSU Run-ons might help Penn State bridge the gap and keep somewhat of a formatible line-up on the field in State College
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About 90% of D2 scholarships are partials. You either get tuition, or you get a housing stipend - sometimes you may only get your books paid for. It is pretty rare that a player gets a full ride at that level. They only have around 35 full scholarships at their disposal to field a team, so they need to spread the money around as much as possible. It comes down to how much better a degree from Penn State is compared to the respective smaller schools these kids are passing on.
19 is a lot, but you pointed out 1 guy in that group that had a couple MAC offers. If I'm going to be a walk-on at pretty much any D-1 school, then it's likely I would pick the school that is telling me I have a great chance to contribute because they are down 20 schollies. It's not like O'Brien is doing this whilst having a full scholarship allotment.
I don't understand how O'brien can tell these guys that some of them will eventually get scholarships. He needs them because he doesn't have enough scholarships
You, confused about how football scholarships work? Never...
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Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand
Natural attrition and limited to 15 incoming scholarship recruits a year.
The only way the walk-ons get scholarships is through attrition. We give at most maybe 2 or 3 walk-ons scholarships each year. There is no way that most of those 20 walk-ons get full rides or even half rides ever.
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And you aren't restricted to 15 scholarships a year.
How many walk-ons have been super-successful at MSU under MD? Blair White . . . Brandon Denson . . . Travis Key. That's about it. About 1 ever 2 years.
PSU is still restricted to the 105 man roster, so they're just filling up their missing scholarship slots (I think the have to get to 65 scholarship guys from '14-'17) with walk-ons.
They might net a couple decent players out of the program, but they won't suddenly be floating through the sanctions on the back of walk-ons. If they make it out in good shape, it'll be because guys like Hackenburg and Co. buoyed them through the lean years.
Biggest issue for them is going to be depth; I think they'll be able to recruit well enough to field a solid starting 22. I doubt they'll be able to field a quality 2-deep though, especially on defense. I only see 1 LB recruit and I know they lost a couple of guys to attrition.
They're also going to have problems fielding a solid scout team. If you recall, Gholston said he had a great bowl game because he was pushed by scout team OT Jack Conklin. One of the advantages of having the depth MSU does is that the scout team is able to prepare the starters better.
Bottom line here: I think any concern over PSU bringing on a bunch of walk-ons is unwarranted. Credit O'Brien for keeping his roster #s up, but don't expect the "run-ons" to be leading PSU to the promised land any time soon.
Note: This isn't a slam on PSU.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Slap on the wrist.
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