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Precisely. Let's not forget the Pistons were coached by Flip 'useless-as-tits-on-a-bull' Saunders in 2007
Looks like the proposed trade was Tayshaun, Rip, Amir Johnson and a first round pick
Rogue Leader= Obese coward who didn't attend MSU and has no college degree
I was told by my older sister who was at state during this time that Paul Davis cheated on his girlfriend and then bought her a huge ass ring, from then on out all his friends called him "Kobe"
Well, there was that little matter of the rape allegation ...
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Just for fun here's what the Pistons would've looked like after that trade:
Afflalo? (seemed like he was one of the first guys off the bench)
how many years did he end up getting?
allegedly grant hill would have been interested and was a UFA at the time. plug him into the 3.
Prince and Rip are/were shitty players? Way to bring it strong for shittiest post of the year.
... For three games, or however long it took for his Achilles' tendon to explode or something.
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Hey, I'm just trying to point out how noble it was of Kobe Bryant to demand a trade, and then rescind the demand and stick it out with such a historically inept franchise. The Lakers had only won 14 NBA championships at that point, so it was a long shot that they would EVER be back in contention. LA just isn't the kind of place that attracts talent, but somehow, they were able to rebuild.
All because of Kobe Bryant's loyalty. Man. What a guy!
No, dude, I get what you're saying. But whenever anyone has anything bad to say about LeBron you defend him like no other.
I totally get what you're doing, though.
Yeah, sorry I don't let a bad television special affect how I analyze a player's career. It's a real character flaw, and I'm working on it.
I guess I should find something else to discuss on a sports message board. Smartphones maybe? Yeah, smartphones. Android seems like something worthy of a passionate defense, so I'll focus my interweb arguing on that instead.
Haha. Very mature, as usual.
I don't mind the special. He can handle going to a team however he wants.
But he opened himself up for judgment forever because he left Cleveland. It's not like he was traded, either. He chose to leave because he knew he couldn't get it done in Cleveland. He admitted he couldn't make them win. That's loser talk.
I just can't understand this type of thinking. How do you fault a 25 year old for wanting to move from Cleveland to Miami, who took less money to do it, in order to be on a better team who has one of the greatest team builders ever in Pat Riley? Kobe and Jordan were fortunate that their management was able to pair them with hall of fame players such as Shaq and Pippen. Lebron had nothing in Cleveland.
Fair enough. Not let's try a story problem:
Every Lakers player from 1996-2010 and every Cavs player from 2003-2010 is placed in a pool for a fantasy draft. Players who played for both franchises during that timeframe can be selected twice, but you're selecting the player at that specific stage in his career (for example, Lakers Shaq and Cavs Shaq are two different players).
Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, and Lakers Shaq are obviously the first three players off the board in some order.
When does the next Cavaliers player come off the board? The 10th pick? The 15th pick?
This post was edited by Omar Comin19758 14 months ago
Location has nothing to do with it
If Cleveland had a stacked team and Miami had a shit team then he would've stayed in Cleveland
"Team builder"? This was all about collusion and the unethical practice of back room dealing in order to horde the trio (James, Wade and Bosh) on the same team. This had a stench all over it from the very beginning. This is why James and the Heat became the most hated aspects of the NBA , and also turned off another segment of society.
Lebron would probably have a title by now if he had stayed in cleveland. Anderson Varejo (sp?) is the best rebounder in the league, and I bet he could have convinced a marquee free agent to come sign in cleveland.
What Lebron did, in terms of sports thinking, is almost indefensible. He went and totally stacked the deck, leaving his team to go play for a team that already had a top 5 player in the league - I don't think any other basketball player who was considered the best in the game would ever do that. But that's not even the worst part.
The worst, most indefensible dastardly thing, is that he left his hometown, born and raised team. It's kind of like if Magic was growing up in Lansing, winning the state championship at Everett, taking MSU to the final four his freshman year, and then deciding that him and Bird should team up at UNC and win a championship his sophomore year.
Yea, Lebron got his ring, and he's the best player in the game, but you can't deny that what he did is disgraceful. It's really contrary to what sports are all about.
I don't love LeBron, and I am plenty critical of his decision to go stack the deck in Miami with a super team. (I don't think that negates the fact that LBJ is currently playing off the charts. But it is going to damage the historical perception of him a bit, I think.) But trying to make Kobe out to be some sort of team-first hero in contrast is a joke. If you want to hold up a current playing as being in the mold of the old-school stars, talk about Tim Duncan. But Kobe, Shaq, LBJ, etc. are all me-first guys who have shown an absolute willingness throughout their careers to dump their current team if they think it will give them a 1% greater chance of an easier path to a title.
That deal would have been a total raping.
Welcome to 1975. Curt Flood and free agency. It's been a very long time since players were loyal to a team and vice versa. Cleveland was not going to win a championship any time soon even with James. They had little talent around them and that included an aging Antawn Jamison. They were actually getting worse not better.
The way Lebron left Cleveland was poorly executed but you cannot lame him for wanting to be on a better team that actually had a chance to win a championship. He owed nothing to Cleveland except to have been classier in his exit. Hometown loyalty? Give me a break!
By the way you could not be more wrong about great players leaving to play with other top players. Shaq joined the Kobe led Lakers, Howard left Orlando for LA, Garnett left the T'Wolves for the Celtics... And of course in other sports it happens all the time. Gretzky left Edmonton for the Kings, Pujols left St Louis for Anaheim who were already loaded and now they have Josh Hamilton. The point is Lebron didn't do anything that hadn't been done before and of course as a free agent he had every right to leave.
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