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We're taking a page from our friends at the ACC blog and examining whether certain Big Ten teams will be contenders or pretenders in the 2013 season.
This post was edited by Bailey1149 12 months ago
Michigan State University is the university of Michigan
Final verdict: Contender. Michigan State might not always be pretty to watch this season because of that offense, but the Spartans will be a team no one wants to play because of that hard-hitting defense. Again, all they have to do is be mediocre offensively, because the defense will keep them in every game. And with that schedule, Michigan State should remain in the thick of the Legends Division race deep into the fall.
Contender. the thread.
Weak schedule + elite defense = contender. If we get anything from our QB, it could be a special year.
Wait so what exactly does Michigan have coming back that has "earned the "contender" label entering the fall" in their view??
Exactly. Give us an offense that's slightly worse than the national average, and we'll do some damage. Give us a good offense, and we can break the Rose Bowl drought.
tRCMB - Visit at your own risk of being disgusted.
Hoke is passing out donuts.
They're Michigan Fergodsakes!
They've lost denard, jack ryan to injury.. They've got their presumed starting RB coming back from a serious injury.. Starting corner coming back from serious injury..
They went 8-5 last year to our 7-6.. We retain almost everyone..
I can see OSU getting a pass.. undefeated.. I can see Nebraska given that they won the division and bring back a certain amount of key components..
But UM getting a free pass here is ridiculous. I wouldn't go so far as to say they are a contender at all.
Their helmets still got wings!
Get those votes in!
What do you expect out of Michigan State in 2013?
A man's gotta eat!
They recruit well is all I can come up with. Lost their 6 best defenders, lost their interior of their O line, lost their only consistent weapon on offense. Gardner was good in 2 out of the 5 games he started though, so there's that.
With how shitty the B1G was last year, pretty much everyone is a contender.
Have to say, that analysis sounds spot on. Definitely won't be pretty to watch because of how often our offense will struggle, but our defense will keep us in games and we'll have to execute in the 4th quarter to pull out games.
ESPN is lazy. They look at the name of the school vs what's actually happening/happened w/ the team. For instance I wouldn't say the OL under-performed last year as much as they were banged up and shuffled all season. It's going to take some time for the OC's to get last year's mess cleaned up.
This post was edited by spartan80 12 months ago
so, here's the thing....why don't we come out playing risky as all hell this year on offense? throw the ball up like D-nard Armput did for his whole career and see what happens? We've got the D to cover us if shit hits the fan. Basically, from snap 1 play like we did on the last drive against Wisconsin last year when we took it to OT and like we did when we got into OT. F it. Let it fly.
I just love how everyone is predicting a rough looking offense for us.
Wait and watch. Something weird always happens at MSU. Linebacker group is supposed to be suspect when Greg Jones moves on. Kicking is bad when Brett Swenso moves on. RBs will be a problem when Javon Ringer moves on. D backs will be bad in 2010 (they were very good). Receivers will be bad when Blair White graduates, as he was the only one consistant his Senior year.
When a group is supposed to be bad, they are good. When a group is good, they might have problems. I don't see that happening on D anywhere, but there is only one way to go on offense, and that is up..including the run-game. Bell was great, but his blockers struggled all year against good defenses.
I won't be at all suprised if we are suprised..
There is romance in all of us
I think there is something to that. I firmly believe that Roushar looked around at the beginning of last year, didn't see Kirk Cousins, and puckered up. He spent the entire season so focused on 'protecting' his first-year starter from making mistakes that he forgot about trying to gain yards and win games.
I think Maxwell has the tools and the smarts to be a good QB, but Warner is going to have to take the training wheels off and let him make a few mistakes. Of course, the first INT Maxwell throws trying to make a play will have tRCMB Chicken Littles screaming that he's worse than Damon Dowdell.
To achieve great things, two things are needed; a plan, and not quite enough time. -- Leonard Bernstein
My buddy got jacked in the face by Jake Ryan last weekend. Called him out for cutting in line at Ricks AA. Black eye.
For most, playing aggressive means risking a 3 and out. For us, playing aggressive means the increased potential for an interception every single time we drop back. I don't trust Maxwell throwing across the middle or even to the outside for that exact reason. I would agree that we should be taking shots deep early and often and let Burbridge and Arnett make plays on the ball. Both of their ball skills are above average. Guys like Fowler, Lippett and Troup may be okay receivers but they don't have the ball skills to trust them deep on a jump ball. I truly believe having Arnett active is going to be a key to our season. Hopefully he's put in enough work to see the field regularly.
Gardner struggled against Ohio State, I will give you that. I was impressed by his performance in the other 4 games though. I love Denard, but Gardner is a far superior passer, and has the ability to improvise and scramble when the play breaks down, something Denard struggled with. Also, all of the receiving options come back and with more experience. Out of Gallon, Dileo, Funchess, Darboh they will have adequate playmakers, although not a true gamechanger at WR like Burbridge provides for you. As for RB, Toussaint is expected to be 100%, and there are high hopes that Derrick Green steps right in and claims the job in the fall. Also, they have arguably the 2 best OTs in the league, and some hyped young guys to fill the inside. Could the line be rocky, especially at first? Definitely. But it could be a major strength by the meat of the schedule.
What 6 defenders are you considering their best last year? Jake Ryan I give you, that one hurts (although rumors are he could be back by mid October). They also have their best corner coming back from injury in Blake Countess. Also hearing rumblings about how good James Ross and Q Washington have been. I think their defense will be very good, although probably not as good as MSU's.
Furthermore, UM's schedule sets up quite favorably, as compared to last year.
Should be a fun season, I think both teams deserve to be labeled as contenders.
I'm very much in the mindset of running it to set up the pass. Run the clock, grind it out, own the TOP, all that. But, this year I just think we need to pass to set up the run. Get risky, take chances. Who knows, if we get lucky and click early in the season it would be a huge confidence boost (something this offense sorely needs). But otherwise let the whole team know going in to the first day of summer practice: Defense - you are going to be challenged to fix things when they go wrong this year. Because they will. We ARE going to call on you to fix other peoples messes.
Hell, they did it all last year anyways......without the offense taking risks.
I think UM's ceiling is higher on offense with Gardner, but the floor is much lower too.
Against the Air Force's and Purdue's of the world, UM would win strickly by running Robinson over & over again, didn't really even have to risk throwing the ball. They can't do that with Gardner. He's not as good of a runner, and they have no back up, outside of the Savior.
I also think Gardner tossed up a ton of jump balls, just like Robinson. I think he's a got a much higher ceiling as a passer than Robinson, be he still makes a ton of WTF throws. On a side note, I also think he benefited a ton when Robinson came back and was used as a gimmick in the backfield. EVERYBODY focused on Robinson. He won't have that benefit this year.
And it was just TWO points that made the difference in swapping those records.*
*Not over it, not by any means.
Jake Ryan, Roh, Demens, and Kovacs were easily the best 4 players on that defense last year and it wasn't that close. Campbell and Floyd were average starters, and now you think your best returning player is going to not miss a beat despite playing CB after recovering from a blown out knee. Good luck with that. Frank the Felon is the lone remaining consistent playmaker returning to that D.
Great OTs, RB is up in the air, Gardner is still unproven IMO. You were happy with his 50% completion in the Bowl game?
In my mind, both teams have easy schedules (ours is a little easier), and both teams have question marks, but Michigan has a lot more question marks that State does, but the media just drinks blue koolaid too. More questions for Michigan in '13 than in '12 by far and '12 saw 8-5 with 2 last second wins.
Our defense is not a question mark at all, it's going to be great, potentially better than either of the last 2 seasons. Our offense needs to be average instead of bad like last year and we have a grea shot at the Rosebowl.
Sweep the leg!
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