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yeah, I would rather have Maxwell over Gardner also. I'm riding the Maxwell bandwagon all the way into the crater if that's how it turns out. Something tells me he's going to have a breakout season this year though. He just needs to gain some confidence..... and have his receivers grab the damn ball
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Thanks for the response and insight into MSU. I follow MSU like you follow UM it seems. I had forgotten about Allen and Lewis, those guys are both impact players. A deep rotation on the DL is huge, those guys wear out so fast unless you are a special player like Suh.
I definitely am with you that UM had a lot of fortune to beat the Spartans last year without scoring a TD. I was nervous as hell for the last second FG. (That is another huge upgrade from the team under Hoke as compared to Rich Rod - special teams).
The UM game in East Lansing could very well determine who wins the division. Wish I could stumble into tickets for that one.
I would rather have Maxwell's receivers (especially Burbridge and Mumphery), and Gardner's offensive line.
Eh... I like Burbridge, but our WR's don't seem to be that good still.
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Considering the fact Maxwell should have been all but a finished product... I wouldn't agree. The smoking crater applies for sure.
Kid can make all the throws and is a grade A citizen/face of the program type but when the shit hits the fan he doesn't have "IT".
Gardner could really be a beast and obviously has way more upside in that he's more athletic and has much more eligibility.
Besides Left Tackle if we don't get raped by injuries again MSU's OL should be every bit as good as Michigan's if not better... Unlike last year when we literally returned ONE starter from the year before on offense for the Michigan game (McDonald). Yes, Fonoti, France, Foreman, Linthecum, Cousins, Baker, France (hurt), Jackson (hurt), Cunningham, Martin, Nichol were all gone from the year before. That problem won't exist at least.
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Well Dantonio was just quoted as saying he feels better about this defense then he did last year at this time. We only lose 4 players from our two deep the previous season plus we add some talented guys who redshirted last year. This is definitely the deepest defense we've had under Dantonio.
Denicos Allen and Isiah Lewis were both 2nd team all Big Ten 2011 and are still around. Isiah is projected as a top 5 safety in next years draft and a good portion of the fanbase would tell you that Kurtis Drummond outplayed him last year. T. Jones took the starting job LB from Chris Norman (4 year starter to that point) midway through last year and played very well. He is a great athlete and might have the higest ceiling of anyone on our defense. Marcus Rush was a freshman AA and has also been All Big Ten honorable mention the last 2 years.
That's 5 guys in addition to Bullough and Denard who've already played at least at an All Big Ten Honorable mention level. I could rattle off the names of about 10 other young guys who could make the leap this year to playmarkers. Obviously not all of them will, but there is lots of talent stepping into the few starting spots available and backing up the proven players.
I think if I had to choose between the skilled positions between the two
QB: devin gardner
RB: fitz toussiant
WR: Aaron burbridge
WR: Jeremy Gallon
WR: Keith Mumphries
TE: Devin Funchess
Sorry I am a michigan fan (enemy territory) but I love actually talking then just name calling
Gallon over Burbridge?
All of those are reasonable choices. Since MSU has Jack and or shit proven at RB or TE. It's Mumphrey I believe.
I think he has Burbridge over Gallon. He lists 3 WRs out of the pool available on both teams, and has Burbridge 1, Gallon 2 and Mumphrey 3.
My bad, didn't see he had three wideouts. Thought he had two.
^ This guy gets it.
No, Aaron burbridge is better than Jeremy Gallon
I know UM has a ton of OL depth, and they somehow managed to be injury free (basically), but what is your level of confidence in the young lineman should they be pressed into action?
And I am sure I speak for most Spartan fans but the thought of Funchess not playing in green and white still chaps my ass.
Perception. Seriously, that's it.
CFB is run by perception.
Wow I wish I didn't start this thread.
I think that MICHIGAN STATE will have a good season and contend because I think that MICHIGAN STATE'S defense will be even better. MICHIGAN STATE'S offensive line will be improved if we can stay healthy and there is no where for MICHIGAN STATE'S offense to go but up. MICHIGAN STATE also has an easier schedule this season. I can't wait for MICHIGAN STATE football this fall.
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I sure hope we beat michigan.
Really the only thing that matters to me. And I know you were tongue in cheek.
Quite frankly if "THEY" lost to us last year but won @ Nebraska and everything else played out the same Hoke would be on a way way hotter (giant) seat than he is now.
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Agree 100%. Too many "if's" on O to call them a contender, but too good of a D to call them a pretender.
MSU was 4-5 in "close" games (7 pts or less): W's vs. Boise State, IU, Wisky and TCU. L's vs. tOSU, Iowa, UM, Northwestern and Nebraska. Even flipping those gives MSU a 7-5 instead of a 6-6 record. 3 of the Big 10 L's in '12 are road games in '13 (Iowa, Northwestern and Nebraska). tOSU drops for Purdue; @Wisky for @IL. That could be a net of 1 W (since MSU won @Wisky last year, a W @IL doesn't move the W/L record any).
8-4 is pretty reasonable for MSU at this point. Non-Conf should be 3-1 again; ND is a bad match-up for a mostly zone-blocking OL, as MSU fans have seen over the past 2 years. I don't care how good the D is, MSU is facing an uphill battle in that game even if it was on a neutral field.
Assuming the above, MSU would beat IU, Minny and win @IL (because MSU won @Wisky, assuming things hold serve from '12), as well as knock off Purdue (Purdue at home vs. tOSU). The 5th W would most likely be @Iowa; of all the recurring opponents, they look like the one who is improving the least/taking a step back (new QB, etc.).
So what does a 5-3 conf. record get you? Probably not the CCG. Maybe a NYD bowl.
In order to really be a contender, you have to realistically go 6-2 in the conference. With the 5 W's above, that means a W @Nebraska, @Northwestern or vs. UM. I don't think this team can lose to both UM at home and @Nebraska, because chances are one of those 2 teams will only end up with 2 Big 10 L's (Nebraska, like MSU, drops tOSU and Wisky from their schedule, UM still plays tOSU, but no Wisky) and they'd have a tie breaker.
@Nebraska seems pretty daunting, so pretty much MSU has to beat UM to be considered a contender.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Some young linemen will be forced into action regardless of injury, out of necessity.
I think Kalis and Braden will win the guard spots, and I feel pretty comfortable about that. From the reports I've heard and read, Kalis is the mauler that the recruiting services thought he would be. Braden has also been very impressive, and is a mountain.
The biggest question mark and linchpin of the whole line is Center. UM really, really missed David Molk last year. Jack Miller is the odds on favorite to win the job, but I am not as optomistic about this position as I am the two guards. There is talk of a true freshman (Kugler) possibly being in play to start at Center. That scares me.
I really loved seeing Funchess as a receiving weapon last year, but he could not block at all, and therefore disappeared the second half of the season. He better have hit the weights hard in the offseason.
If this is what you believe: Over all, (O,D,ST) does MSU's have more, or more relevant "ifs" than Michigan does considering your belief that all MSU has to do is beat Michigan to be considered a contender?
If your answer is no, or you think the MSU/M game is 50/50, then you would have to consider MSU a contender for the division title.
Heck, even if yo believe that the division hinges on 3 games: MSU v. Neb, MSU v. Michi, and Mich v. Neb, then MSU has to be considered a contender for the division.
I would not be so quick to dismiss Northwestern either. Fitzgerald is a heck of a coach, and their offense can cause headaches, even for good defenses.
NW returns almost everything. They should be pretty good.
We'll see...they still have depth issue, and always will. If they wear down, or have injury issues, they will be out of it quick. Northwestern always has to stay healthy and fresh more than any other program to contend.
I don't think they will this season, honestly....but they will be a thorn in the side of one or more of the 3 contenders at some point.
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