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We need to get rid of this pro style offense. It doesnt work anymore. Tradition be damn, this isnt the 60s anymore. We need to go more uptempo, spread offense. 3 yds of cloud and dust doesnt work anymore. We need to start recruiting more speed players.
Name me one pro style offense that is a juggernaut in college. Alabama offense is a game manager offense. USC fine, but thats one and thats because they have 5 star QBs and WRs.
Hell even in the NFL pro style is dying. NE, GB, ATL, PHI, and even DET from last year were high powered offense. And guess what? They ran a variation of spread. Prostyle.
When are people and coaches going to realize prostyle doesnt work anymore? Hell even indiana gave people fit wit their uptempo spread this year. The lowest scoring offenses are guess what? Prostyle
I have an MBA...Master at Being Amazing
JLS? Is that you?
Have you been rejected from medical schools yet?
With your stupidity, I'm very shocked you even got an interview.
Please tell me how I am wrong?
Pro style puts kids in the NFL that aren't just wide receivers.
I can be persuaded. It's not a ridiculous opinion at all. While I'm a big fan of the pro style offense, you need top notch personnel in the trenches to run it effectively year in and year out. Alabama can do it. USC, in the Pete Carroll days, ran it to perfection.
Cousins really masked a lot of the issues we had up front. We couldn't run the ball, so we put it in his hands, and he was lethal with his ability to make smart and quick throws. I think those same attributes of his masked our average-at-best pass protection.
Until we prove we can recruit OL at a high level, it would be worth it to consider moving to more of a pass-oriented quick strike spread attack.
Look at what KSU is doing. I know they run a lot with Klein, but they're aggressive on both sides of the ball. Would love to see that.
This post was edited by JEK 21 months ago
"RCMB: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainry." - some dude from MgoBlog
Our primary goal should be winning and getting national recognition. BTW the last 3 years, QBs selected in the 1st rd have come from spread teams. Unless ofcourse you want to put OL in the NFL
Btw- how many OLs from MSU have been selected in the draft the last 10 years?
The pro style can be easily adapted based on personnel. Cousins' version was similar to a northwestern style pass attack at times. And yet we could still go big, as needed.
I hear that Rich Rodriguez guy has a lot of potential.
They did beat USC yesterday. His teams problem wasnt offense, but defense
Hey...DickRod's offense with this defense. Who would stop us?
all good points: I can DEFINATELY be persuaded to it due to the fact wejust don't get the olinemen needed to effectively run it...not even CLOSE lately
Go back over the past 20 years and tell me what type of offense the national champion ran that year. An overwhelming majority of them ran a some form of a pro-style offense.
This post was edited by Sp4rt4ns 21 months ago
Yep, 20 years ago. The game evolves, just like anything else.
20 years to today moron... Alabama is going to win it this year. Their offense? Pro-style. Both offenses in the title last year? Pro-style.
Not to burst ever schtick in this thread's bubble, but we've tried this experiment. JLS years were not that far off. Two Quick points:
-We had some impressive games offensively during our spread years, but aside from one Jeff Smoker year, we never had a winning season. Many of those games featured us getting decimated on both sides of the ball.
-uofm- yes them - converted to the spread because they wanted to "WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS." This was the single stupidest statement I've ever heard. Even when they had the right talent, they still hit the same ceiling and suffered the worst seasons they've ever had during the process.
What is the common thread? Both schools were behind the times and fully committed to schemes already on the way out. The fatal flaw of the exclusive spread offense is exposed repeatedly in these scenarios: the inability to run the clock and sustain slow drives.
The problem isn't the spread, the problem is ONLY the spread. The counters to the spread have been invented and widely accepted since the 2000's. It's a system that is no longer a surprise and, aside from schools that are high level talents, it doesn't work any better than exclusively pro, or wishbone, etc. It's outdated.
That's why most schools incorporate elements of spread into their system, but don't convert exclusively. Look at the wildcat: Bill Snyder made it popular and is still doing well with it CAUSE HE IS ONE OF THE BEST AT IT. Most schools just have a package with a few plays for it, but that's it. You do what you know and incorporate innovations along the way. Dantonio and his staff are pro style guys and - back in the treadwell days - showed real interest in throwing in spread/wildcat/trick elements when needed given certain personnel.
Also, how many trophys have we one as a spread school? How many as a spread school? Okay, done.
Well good thing it's 20 years ago!!!! When will people realize we dont have the horses to run a smashmouth in your face offense we are vanilla as shit.
Did you read my post? I said there's nothing wrong with running a pro style IF YOU HAVE THE PERSONNEL TO RUN IT. The reason Bama still runs it is because THEY CAN. MSU doesn't have the luxury of recruiting endless OL talent like Bama has.
A few things. For one, it seems that a move to a spread offense has a negative effect on the defense. I think it stems from having to make a lot of shoestring tackles and push people out of bounds instead of tackling fundamentally in practice. Look at what's happened to tOSU's defense, which by all accounts has as many 4 and 5-star players as one could hope for, or Michigan under RichRod.
The Big XII is full of great spread offenses, but has 1 very strong defense. That would be Kansas State, which runs a power-run type offense.
Also, spreads tend to shut down in the RZ unless you have a mobile QB. They're reliant on stretching the field both horizontally and vertically, and the "vertical" component is reduced when you get inside the 20. Back to defense, though it does provide a big play potential, possessions do not last very long; either a quick score, or incompletions, neither of which chew up much clock.
In the end, any offense can look great as long as you have the right personnel to run it. The spread isn't some magic type of offense that guarantees 35 ppg or something like that; Illinois and Purdue run spreads and look like dog crap on offense.
This post was edited by MalibuMan 21 months ago
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
It works if you can run block, we cannot.
Exactly!!!!!!! as if that 49-7 assdrubbing massacre wasn't proof enough.
Alabama runs a pro-style offense. the only reason you call it a game management is because they have superior talent and superior coaching.
I don't know, something about the best 2 back-to-back seasons in school history and a bowl victory over uga has me sold on the pro style, but I guess I'm just odd like that.
There are a lot of ways to skin a cat.
We weren't really a vintage pro style offense last year. Not at all.
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