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Why did David feed the black liquid to Holloway.
My point was that reviewers on Rotten Tomatoes had complained that there was nothing explanatory or 'prequel' about it when I thought it worked as a prequel.
Yes, they rushed right in - if it was true to NASA they would still be testing the helmet radios when the credits rolled. They sacrificed that screen time and screen time of Earth at the beginning so that they could invest in things like the reconnaissance drones featured in the trailer. And it's a thriller - not a documentary. Of course they do stupid things they were just told not to. That's the genre; "Don't go near the WINDOW!!"
In the end, you have to decide whether it holds together well enough as a narrative to serve as the scaffolding for the necessary scary and "gee wiz" scenes that it must support. I thought it did.
This was the one story arc I wish they would have explored more. The obvious explanation is that he has no conscience and was merely experimenting on the crew out of his own curiosity. Mr. Weyland also could have ordered him to do it, but his casual reaction when Elizabeth rips the fetus out seemed to indicate that he was acting of his own volition.
All the Alien movies have the notion of corporate stooges and hidden agendas. "Aliens" had Paul Reiser as the consummate stooge and James Cameron created another for Avatar. Both of Cameron's stooges seem to me to be rip-offs of the stooge from the excellent movie Outland.
In the Alien series, the ever-present android is always suspected of having the hidden agenda. It is programmed after all. Much like HAL - we are left to wonder what he was told of the mission and what he was programmed to do. In the end, sometimes the android redeems itself (Pinocchio becoming a real boy) and sometimes it doesn't. In this case, I think it was simply experimenting to fulfill its programming to save Weyland (Hmm, maybe this stuff is curative) though in the other Alien movies, it is implied that corporate forces on Earth are in a never-ending search for new bio-weapons. So it is a mystery.
I saw this as a tip-of-the hat to the robots in Silent Running which had to be reprogrammed in order to perform surgery on Lowell.
It seemed to me that as Weyland's death grew closer and more imminent, he was beginning to develop his own free will, and he was experimenting on the people to serve his own ends.
I think you are right about the android evolving towards free will as the movie nears its end. Though as that happens, it seems to become more altruistic - rather than menacing. So where does the menacing behavior originate?
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See, I didn't get that vibe. He only helped Elizabeth because he needed her. He was manipulating the humans right up to the last scene.
The only reason I would disagree with this is that that is a Thursday and the typical release date for DVD/Blu Ray movies are on tuesdays (worked at video rental store for four years...) but they could also just be being cool and have their own day
Perhaps that's the message - they need each other. He doesn't complain when she picks the destination even though all signs say it would be a suicide mission. Maybe she plans to deliver to the Engineers some of their own creation.
I'd pay to see that
I got the distinct impression he was just telling her what she wanted to hear. He only really needs her to help put him back together.
The lack of caution was definitely the weakness of the movie. The biologist is afraid, and then he wants to pet the fucking thing?
You bring up a good point about the med-bay. Why wouldn't it be configured for women if it was in Theron's chambers? And was she supposed to be an android? If so, why does she need a med-bay?
The android speaking to the alien was pretty fucking stupid, too. As was the girl flying off to the alien planet. I'm a big believer that sci-fi movies are much better with dark endings. Are they really going to make a sequel with one human in it?
One questions these Alien movies never answer is if they have the ability to make perfect androids, why are they bothering to send humans into space? Seems like it'd be a lot cheaper just to send robots.
Despite my complaints, I enjoyed it. Scott is great at creating alien hell-scapes. Actually, my biggest complaint of all is that they gave away way too much in the trailers. Remember the ad campaign for the original "Alien"? This movie would've been MUCH better if everything had been a reveal.
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This. It was a good movie, but it wasn't the best it could be. This felt exactly like a cousin of Lost (for obvious reasons) and I kind of liked it that way.
When I listened to the interview with Damon Lindelof about the last episode of Lost (which I was a huge fan of btw), he made a great point. There's a fine line between giving everything away and not revealing anything. I like how they stayed more towards the side of ambiguity. Lindelof pointed to the scene between Neo and the Architect in the 3rd Matrix, and how that was the worst scene in the history of film because they made up some stupid answers so everyone could be satisfied. If they sat everyone down and said "this is where humans came from", there definitely wouldn't have been much mystery to the story and it would've felt like a cop out IMO.
The whole point of his movies/shows are to let the audience piece together things on their own, not just clearly spelling out the answers for you.
The med pod was only configured for men because it was really for Mr. Weyland, not Vickers. She didn't want Elizabeth messing with it at the beginning of the movie because no one was supposed to know Weyland was on board.
Vickers wasn't an android; if she was she wouldn't have been in stasis with the others. Weyland's reaction when the Engineer broke David's neck suggested that he was very much one of a kind. I saw David as a monumentally expensive and groundbreaking prototype; not something that could be mass produced or even easily replaced.
So Weyland really was supposed to be Vickers' father? Ew. That make-up wasn't terribly convincing. Couldn't they have found an actor who was actually old?
And btw, Ash was in the cryo-tube at the beginning of the first "Alien."
I liked the ending, but I thought it would've been better if the space jockey had crawled back into his chair first. In the original "Alien," the Nostromo crew doesn't find just any spaceship, they find THAT one. Otherwise, it'd still be underground, right?
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Despite its flaws I will say that Fassbender is insanely good in this. He played a robot to perfection and I liked the hook shot at the beginning of the film
He's probably one of my favorite actors at the moment
I agree with everything you said except that this is the best of the Alien movies. Alien is the best. Alien is arguably the best horror/sci-fi of all time. Aliens was also excellent and Prometheus is very good imo.
Great point. plus one.
Fishrose, did you by any chance see this at the 10:10 matinee at the AMC Lowes Lincoln Center? I just got back from it (and lunch).
Sorry for 4 straight posts, but I wanted to bring up an interesting thought that others might be able to chime in on. I am curious if the story arc of these films was at all changed/re-ispired by Mass Effect. I absolutely love the Mass Effect games because I think the storyline is incredible. With this change, and an idea of "creators" that also want to destroy their creation, I wonder if this was always the plan of the Alien story arc, or if it was developed afterword.
Wtf... How do you not know she was his daughter? That was maybe the worst line of dialogue in the film... You know instead of writing a well drawn out and reasoned character and getting the point across she just calls him "father" at the end... Get it.
Awful. That was a horrible movie. A good movie makes sense on paper with zero budget, this was just 200 million worth of special effects and proof that Ridley Scott was the least integral part of what made Alien great. Dan O'Bannon and HR Giger were the creative forces behind the original and they were replaced apparently by a guy from Lost who justifies shitty writing by saying "People don't need to know what's going on all the time."
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