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My comment: fuck off.
Stars matter in that the higher rated a kid is, the more likely he is to be a stud.
Coaching matters because a team full of studs won't be as good as they could be under an awful coach.
Variables matter such as injuries, schedule, officials, team makeup, off-field issues, etc.
You're dealing with a complex equation with myriad variables. Why is that so hard to accept and understand?
Holy shit, you bunch of whiners and moaners, why does there have to be one and only one explanation and cause for EVERYTHING?!
"When I was in school they told me practice makes perfect. Then they told me nobody's perfect. So I stopped practicing." --Steven Wright
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Very interesting question indeed. We think alike. The other day I was wondering if you could put cheetah legs on Eli manning, could he catch his own passes? Cheetah legs. I think he could.
Don't post poop!
With you head so far up Kelly's ass I'm surprised you can read this board.
Take your ND loving ass and your Kelly ass kissing extravaganza to the ND boards. There are several.
Good idea. I only grew up a State fan in Ann Arbor and graduated from Michigan State. You sound like fun guy to hang out with. If you ever make it out to Manhattan, PM me and we can go to the Alumni club together.
Then why are you blowing Kelly?
I would say recruiting ratings do matter. Kelly has had a remarkable season at ND in his 3rd year with a lot of key players still around from Charlies regime. Kelly and ND have had high attrition so they have that to deal with but have been able to plug in young guys(many who were 4 and 5 star) and fill the gaps. Kelly is building an excellent program at ND that will be probable top 10 contenders year in year out going forward. This is partly because he is a good coach but mainly because of the recruiting that ND is able to do there.
Excellent point. You could have all 5 stars but have them coached by Lane Kiffin. What do you get. 8-4 or 7-5
100% exactly my point. I was (admittedly) being a bit passive aggressive, but my larger point is I am sick of not recruiting well, and I am especially sick of people claiming it doesn't matter. It matters.
Yes it matters, regardless of what the sunshine blowers might say. Sure, a team like Boise ST. or KSU might jump up once in a while, but you can't enjoy sustained success without good recruiting. 'Bama didn't get where they are by taking 3 star "diamonds in the rough". Flame on.
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The first rule of recruiting is you must get a stud QB or your team will suffer.
It's pretty clear that Kelly is a better coach and one of the best in the country.
Dantonio has had his worst year yet, and that is awful considering what the expectations were going into the season.
Quone, to quone something. Like a patient gets difficult you quone them.
Recruiting matters to a point. There are teams every year that finish in the top 10 of recruiting who win nothing. Notre Dame under Weis was pulling in top 5 classes and winning nothing. You'd have to be an idiot to think it's the be all end all. MSU won 11 games in back to back years full of players from top 40 classes. Including beating teams like Michigan, ND, and OSU. All of whom have higher rated players.
Jesus, ND is having a good year. Pitt, Stanford and Michigan games could have went the other way. Let's see down the road. This is going to be ND's first BCS in a while. Do we really need this thread because they're pulling shit out against Pitt Stanford Michigan etc? Hats off to them foe ONE great year. But really, the ass kissing line needs to be elsewhere. One year.
we at least they are going to a bcs bowl, when are we going
Do we really need this now? ND had a great year. We've missed in several close games. We had two 11 win seasons. Are we looking to fire staff? Concede ND will be a great power after 23 years? What are you asking here. It was a bad year. Do we fire Dantonio? What do you want? I give up.
You are clearly very clued in to MSU football and know a lot about NCAA football in general. Knowing that, did Notre Dame simply get better players than MSU the last 3-4 seasons, or is Kelly a better coach than Dantonio?
What were our recruit rankings the last six years vs ND's? Because Dantonio is 1-2 against ND under Kelly, and he's conifer ranked higher in two of three seasons. So, you come back here with the past five years of MSU vs ND recruit rankings and then we' weigh them against how the teams finished in the polls the three years they've coached against each other and then we can figure it out. I wait. I'm not sure if it would prove anything but average recruit rankings the past five tears vs how they finished in the polls will maybe help.
Seriously, a mistake? You make it seem like MSU hired Gerry Foust or Muddy Waters again. Kelly and ND are having a fine season, but I am much happier with Coach D as the face of the program. He understands the struggles that are unique to MSU, and he doesn't back down from anyone. He has gotten the players under control, and he has lead them to unprecedented heights. You want to cut to the chase? Well, there it is - he gets it. He's here to build a strong program, that's it. He's not here to use MSU as a stepping stone, or leverage any modicum of success into unearned pay raises. If Kelly had been hired instead and enjoyed same type of success as Dantonio the last two years, we'd be in the first year of a new regime because he would have moved on. No way would I want that blow-hard representing MSU. I'm as frustrated as anybody with this year's results. That said I, for one, am going to give Coach D the benefit of the doubt that he will do what is necessary to right the ship. Why? Because for the first time since I became a State fan in the 70's, there is an actual program with a plan. Not just a good team every 5 or 6 years when the stars align.
Getting good players matters. Whether recruiting site rankings are accurate predictors of the collegiate athletic success is an inexact science.
Every good coach that spends more than 4-5 seasons at a school is going to have rebuilding years. MSU is going through that now.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
I know that my posts may seem like I am trying to flame out and get people riled up. While I admit that I am leaning that way, I am no trying to. I totally get it that we aren't going to get the best recruits every year, and I also (begrudgingly) admit that we aren't going to have B1G titles every year. That said, while I agree coaches have a rebuilding season, no coach that is upper echelon have ;500 seasons after 6 years. To support your argument, please reference one coach that after 6 seasons, went .500 and then went on to a Major (BCS) bowl win and/or a NC in the last 30 years.
Ferentz, Alvarez, Paterno
It's a new world. Some out there can't wrap their head around that because theyre so angry about a down year at MSU.
Frank Beamer? Where would you put him? Va Tech is going to struggle to make a bowl game, and they just rolled off 8 or 9 straight 10 W seasons. Oh, they made a NC under him and multiple BCS bowls too.
FSU under Bowden took a dip eventually. Mack Brown won a NC, has access to more talent than anyone, and had teams win 1 fewer game combined in 2 years (12) than MSU did in just 2011 alone (11).
I don't even know what you're trying to prove here. That MD isn't a good coach? Trying to distill CFB down to recruiting rankings alone (which, by their nature are predictors and not guarantees) is over-simplistic.
As has been said repeatedly, football is a game of inches. Often it comes down to players executing, or beyond that, the simple bounces of the ball. Those haven't gone MSU's way this season. I don't think there's something wrong with Dantonio because of that though. This isn't NCAA 2013 where if you hit the right buttons the plays work every time.
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