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Keeping the sunshiners in check since 2000.
Of course recruiting matters. But we'll never haul in top ten classes. That isn't Dantonio's fault. We need a coach who maximizes our situation and is interested in staying for the long haul. He often contends for B1G titles. Is there someone better for his role? Sure as hell not Kelly.
We had a top ten class in 2009, it can be done if you bring back Enos
ND, Florida, FSU, Clemson all disagree with that
MSU will never have mostly 4 or 5 stars in any given class so I am not sure what there is to argue about. First off we are in the big ten, and it has a bad perception. Second, we have to compete with UM, ND, OSU, and UW all around us.
MSU put 6 players is the pro's this past April. Best hope is to continue pattern of finding underrated guys, like Worthy, Cousins, J5, etc.
I am hoping we play South Carolina in the bowl game. Will be tough but if we win it will continue to help build our street cred in the south.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by spartanMF 17 months ago
Where ND /Stanford (recently) and Duke (basketball) differ from MSU is they can go to any recruit and offer small classes on campuses that have fewer than 10,000 undergrads.
Even when ND was not going undefeated they had great recruiting classes with Bob Davie and Charley Weis.
#5 in '06 recruiting. '07 season Weis went 3-9 : MSU went 7-4 Dantonio's first year
#8 in '07 recruiting '08 season Weis went 7-6 : MSU 9-4
#8 in '08 recruiting '09 season Weis went 6-6 : MSU 6-7
#14 '09 recruiting '10 season 8-5 with Kelly: MSU 11-2
#21 '10 recruiting '11 season 8-5 with Kelly: MSU 11-3
MSU recruiting was never ranked higher than ND in those 5 years by ESPN
Has the OP produced posts or quotes from people saying recruiting doesn't matter, or is this just the flimsiest straw man in board history?
The main issue here is that it has long been our mantra that Dantonio and our staff get more out of less, so to speak, when it comes to players. Finding guys who are 2 or 3 stars and "coaching them up". With our recent success, it seems we haven't been able to parlay anything into a breakthrough recruiting wise, and now this abysmal year cones along... meanwhile other local programs (most notably OSU and UM) are seemingly back to their usual recruiting dominance.
All of this "if Coach X was at MSU we would be better / worse than now" is a strawman. This year has started some serious doubts about this staff's ability to "coach up" guys; the last year or so has started some serious doubts about our abilities to start raising our recruiting class rankings. So what does that future look like?
The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude.
Granted yes, also they have an amazing coach and he is winning in hell (has anyone else been to KSU's campus). However the Big 12 is a fraud and remember recruiting has been high for the other unbeaten teams: OSU, Oregon, and ND....just saying
Haters gonna hate!
It would be nice if there was actually an effective search for this site... I seem to recall several threads every offseason roundly mocking others (mostly UofM) for winning "recruiting championships", with the notion that Rich Rod also had great recruiting, etc. Do you not remember any of this?
No. In 2009 MSU had a #17 ranked (17th on Rivals. 37th on Scout) class. We haven't had a Top 10 class since 2000.
Does recruiting matter? Yes. The question is: how much? Since you are obviously , and want to suck BK's small penis, you think it matters more than 1. coaching 2. facilities 3. University support 4. Academics 5. etc
Some years, like the baptismal year of fatass Hoke, the schedule plays a HUGE PART. It has had a huge impact with BK this year. Oh yeah, and LUCK is very imperative to a team to go unscathed this year........and it began in game 2 with Purdue, with the wonderful injury to the qb in the last minutes of play. And lets not forget about the significant call$ made by the official$ at prominent times of their games.
In other words, thread fail. Lock it.
Um, yeah he is. And you don't have to bring Dantonios' name up in responding.
Fewer and fewer 2 star recruits in recent classes as well so we're not taking on very many recruits that need to be coached up so to speak and you're seeing more solid 3 star guys with good offer lists with some 4 star sprinkled in too.
We're probably never going to pull in top 10 classes but we're also not signing risky recruits or lowly ranked ones either so with the coaching staffs ability to identify solid recruits that with some coaching I think MSU can contend more often than they'll be a mid to low level Big 10 team.
Reynolds takes White spot and Heath comes in for Gholston.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
It was top 20 on Rivals (17th) and here are the 4-stars:
Tell me which one of those has had a "4-star" career. It's not all about the stars.
It's on the coaches when they aren't able to coach up talent.
Baker sporadically. Norman sporadically. That's about it.
"RCMB: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainry." - some dude from MgoBlog
*Or for the recruiting sites for over-valuing the talent. For instance, Scout, which is pretty much reviled on here, gave 4-star ratings to just Baker, Caper and Norman. With at least 4 different services (Rivals, Scout, 247, ESPN) giving out recruiting rankings, not to mention sites like MaxPreps, it's hard to get a good read on how much talent is coming in.
For instance, 247 has MSU with 3 4-stars this year, Rivals has MSU at 2, Scout at 3 and ESPN has 6. Who are we supposed to expect greatness from?
*- I know you're never serious, but I'm just using your post as a segue-way
That would be my analysis. Treadwell has looked solid in his last few starts, so if he continues that trajectory he could end up playing at that level. Barrent retired and Spencer transferred. Gainer is a 3rd string DE. Klatt can't start even with the line as banged up as it is.
Maxwell, well, we've talked enough about him on the board. Caper's been a nice 3rd down option at times, but that's the best thing you can say about him; he peaked after that TD run against UM in '09.
As far as the Huskers... may not leaps and bounds. Bo seems to have gotten his DE to play better. Will T. Magic continue to improve?
I guess my thought there is that the two teams didn't look that far apart in the last game, and Nebraska isn't recruiting at a level way beyond what MSU is. I know they graduate a chunk of their front 7 next year, and MSU will finally be playing them when the Spartans should be relatively fresh.
So we'll see. The flip side is that MSU doesn't look heads and tails above UM or Nebraska next year, and Minnesota/Northwestern look to stay pesky. Who knows what happens if Bell leaves, and/or Gholston, but the other teams will have their own attrition (Shoelace, Lewan, Compton/Martin/Steinkuhler).
Basically I don't see the Big 10 passing MSU by in the next few seasons. tOSU looks like the only squad that's going to be very dangerous, and they're off the schedule till '15.
Yes the 5/4 star players have been evaluated as better players than the 3/2 stars. A roster of 100 5/4 stars should beat a roster of 100 3/2 stars. Experience matters and developement matters. 3 star guys may develope into tremendous players, but they can also be busts. A 5 star might not develope but chances are that he will at least get a bit better. If you have a roster of 100 players the rankings should pan out statistically. A downside of 5 stars is that they tend to leave early. Coaching matters too. But when both coaches are good talent will often prevail.
This post was edited by rodent 17 months ago
Its big ten championship game or bust next season IMO. The schedule, experience, and talent will all be there. If not next year, when?
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