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Truth, but teams are rarely composed of 85 4/5 stars or just 3/2 stars. The top teams that MSU has played in terms of recruiting talent, like UM, tOSU and ND, have between 3-4 5-stars and 30-40 4-stars. I think ND has the most but I'd have to check.
After that, Nebraska has 1 5-star (Steinkuhler) and around 28 4-stars. PSU doesn't have the 5-star and is down around 22 4-stars since their attrition hit.
MSU is at 1 5-star and 18 4-stars (Rivals). Wisky and Iowa around around 12-14 4-stars and I don't think any other Big 10 teams boast double digits 4-stars.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
I don't know, just because of the Nebraska game. It's @Lincoln and their schedule lightens up considerably. MSU could very well end up 10-2 (7-1) and miss the CCG because of that one. I can't be too upset with a 10 W team.
I think they're good for 9 Ws next year. @ND looks like an L and I'd probably put Nebraska there too. Figure they'll drop one more somewhere; @Iowa and @Northwestern can be squirrely.
I'd like to see a close-to injury free season from the OL too. Watched ND-BC yesterday and they said that the ND OL has started every game together. That's what MSU needs.
Yup definitely one or the other. It's that black and white.
MSU really needs to take advantage and make it to the game. Assuming Dennard returns, MSU should have one of the best back 7 groups they have ever had, all returning WRs, returning QB, and most Olineman.
Here's the schedule. After looking at it again, you're right; this has to be taken advantage of:
USF (middle of pack to bottom Big East Team)
Youngstown State (Solid FCS team, smart tune-up game before ND though, just in case USF gives MSU problems)
@ND (likely an L, though they're going to lose multiple LBs)
BYE (First of 2!)
@Iowa (breaking in a new QB)
IU (should be dangerous again on O)
Purdue (probably have a new coach, low talent)
@IL (should be better in year 2, but is graduating most of their defensive group)
Michigan (new QB, @SS, should be another close game)
BYE (ZOMG MSU HAS 2 OF THESE!!)
@Nebraska (Ahem, MD 6-0 after Michigan game, including winning for the first time in Madison in his tenure. Nebraska is playing @UM the game before. This is called an opportunity.)
@Northwestern (potential let-down game, especially with Mark/Colter back)
Minnesota (could be better and better under Kill)
I'd say @ND is the only sure L, with toss-ups @Iowa (even though I don't think they're great, they did just knock off MSU in SS this year), UM, @Nebraska and @Northwestern.
Consider Iowa and Northwestern out of the Legends race; they rotate tOSU and Wisky on their schedule. Northwestern's first 5 Big 10 games: tOSU, @Wisky, Minny, @Iowa, @Nebraska. Then they have a bye and play UM and MSU in back to back weeks at home. That doesn't look like fun.
Iowa has 6 straight games in a row to open the year, including MSU coming off of a bye week. Iowa then goes to tOSU, hosts Northwestern and has Wisky/@Purdue before their 2nd bye. They finish with UM/@Nebraska. That sounds like at least 3 conference losses, if not 5.
So, can MSU's O take the steps forward with the D maintaining its great play? Special teams need to develop as well; it's ridiculous that MSU can't get decent kick and punt returners.
Whomever comes out of the Legends is going to have to contend with tOSU in the CCG, though they're losing a chunk of that DL and their D hasn't been great overall.
Rogue Leader= Obese coward who didn't attend MSU and has no college degree
I think the pendulum swings back in MSU's direction a bit. WRs have looked better as the year's gone on, and the OL had its best game of the year against Nebraska.
I don't think the extra byes can be ignored either. The last 2 years MSU has really been put behind the 8-ball in terms of bye weeks; playing 7 straight games in '11 (including UM, Wisconsin and @Nebraska right in a row) and having 10 straight contests to open the season. You saw the fruit of that against Nebraska as the top 3 free safeties were all out by the final drive, putting walk-on Mitchell White out against Turner on the final score.
Being able to heal up from bumps and bruises, not to mention trading the physical Wisconsin game for Purdue helps a ton. Switching tOSU's very tough offense for Illinois' moribund attack is a plus as well; MSU should go from 2-1 vs. the Leaders in '12 to 3-0 in '13.
When looking at MSU from year to year, I look at "flipping" L's from the prior year into W's and which W's could be flipped to L's. In that respect, I don't think MSU will beat ND next season, but I don't think the Wisconsin or IU W's (with Purdue replacing Wisky) are in danger of dropping off either.
That gives MSU 4 "Ls" to turn around; tOSU is off the schedule, so I think they pick up a W from playing IL instead.
So then it comes down to @Iowa, Michigan and @Nebraska. Will those teams be better or weaker in '13? Way too early to tell.
"near 500" is way different than 500. I stared to do a bit of research, and the only coach who fit the various posts claims is Alvarez. The others are a pathetic example. Claiming Paterno who didn't have a sub .500 season for like 30 years is ridiculous. Talking about coaches who's record spans two schools doesn't even warrant a response.
This is such a valuable post. Everyone who wants to recruit better players than what our current staff is recruiting clearing wants to "scrap the program". Thank you so much for sharing.
Thank you for sharing. Any post with a $ in place of a S is clearly well thought out and a valuable addition.
Yeah, I see no reason to think MSU won't be vastly improved next year.
#1 Easier schedule.
#2 Should field another top 10-15 caliber defense.
#3 Maxwell and the WRs will have a year of experience under their belts.
#4 We didn't get the breaks in close games this year...those trends often reverse the following season.
"RCMB: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainry." - some dude from MgoBlog
Bo went .500 and won the Fiesta, Darryl Royal went .500 and won the Cotton Bowl, Woody Hayes went .500 and won the Rose. Knute went under .500 and won the NC, etc, etc, etc.
You did no fucking research at all. The ones that didn't have a .500 season (Which Dantonio hasn't had either) I fucking put in parantheses. However I stopped looking when nearly every legendary coach had at least one season of .500 football with one team and then won a major bowl game/national champ. Paterno didn't even play a good team for 30 years so I don't really think it's ridiculous.
It seems like people are banking on us winning @Iowa next year
Didn't they beat us @SS this year?
Yea? Didn't we beat that ass in Iowa City the year before?
Either way, it doesn't matter. It comes down to the thought/hope that we will have a better team than them. I don't think any road games are gimmies, but I think we should win that game.
Prior year results ALWAYS are perfect indicators of what is going to happen in the current year. It's why all teams have the same record every year in every sport regardless of who is coming back/who they've added/who they've lost.
You didn't answer my question
I called it a toss-up. Teams change from year to year and Iowa is definitely not a good squad. I know I know, "what does that say about MSU"? Still, next year I think MSU is more likely to be better and Iowa more likely to be worse.
That wasn't rhetorical?
I don't answer stupidity sorry.
So is it now safe to say we will be nd's bitch for the foreseeable future like when Lou holtz was in charge?
Keeping the sunshiners in check since 2000.
This is not a zero sum game. We are a much stronger program than when Lou Holtz was at ND.
You just made a great point, AA. Tanner will not answer directly because it is so much easier to call you an apologist, blower.
You mean like 20 years ago?
based on what? How is MSU better off today in comparison to the football world than it was in the late 80s under Perles? Its very convenient history to act like MSU didn't make a big time move hiring Perles. George Perles was probably the biggest hire in the history of MSU sports at the time he was hired in terms of what he had accomplished pre-MSU. Dude was an integral part of the Steelers legendary Steel Curtain D. He then went to be a head coach in the USFL when they were throwing money around trying to capture market share. Then he came to MSU and built a Rose Bowl team. How is MSU a stronger program today than they were in 1989, in the middle of Lou Holtz's regime? I know everyone loves to chuckle about Perles and MSU in the early 90s, but the truth is, he was a big time hire.
I think good coaching can overcome mediocre recruiting. Look at Kansas State. But I don't think good recruiting can overcome bad coaching. Obviously, it's harder to win without elite recruiting classes, but not impossible. Truth is, you need a blend of both to maintain excellence. ND has always brought in talent. Now that they finally have a good coach to go along with said talent they're winning.
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