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Some dipshit at work is trying to tell me that Matta is the 2nd best coach in the conference (behind Izzo) and that Bo is #3. it got me thinking and I had a hard time really ranking some of them and thought i'd submit the topic to the collective wisdom of tRCMB. Izzo is clearly #1...but who is #2? i'm tempted to say Crean, but all of a sudden Indiana can't buy a win. My argument was that Matta was in the 10-12 range when it comes to actual coaching ability. I'd also put Weber down there with him. the middle gets tougher though. Bo in particular is hard to rank here because I utterly despise HOW he coaches, but you can't deny that he has success within the rigid system of suckage he has instituted.
2. Fran McCaffery
3. Tubby Smith
4. Bo Ryan
7. Bill Carmody
11. Patrick Chambers
12. Doc Nebraska
It may or may not be fair to the Nebraska coach to put him so low, but he's a much more unknown quantity and UNL sucks, so he's in the PSU category. I have to say that i'm surprised I ended up with Fran and Tubby at 2 and 3...but I like Fran a lot as a coach, and think Tubby makes the most out of what he has there and he's winning right now without his best player.
This post was edited by boozhoo 2 years ago
Pretty idiotic putting Matta so low. Recruiting is part of the job.
Criteria is important here. Accomplishments? Recruiting? In-game coaching? Example: JB is a really good game coach with a good system, but until recently has been an average recruiter and has never won anything. Matta, at OSU anyway, has had some complete brain-lock moments in close games but is an ace recruiter and his players improve, the ones who hang around anyway. I'll give it a shot, combining all three criteria:
1. Izzo (very hard to dispute when taking all three criteria into account)
2. Ryan (good game coach)
3. Matta (did some really good game coaching at Xavier and built Butler, has had his moments at OSU)
4. Tubby (his days at UK come into play)
5. JB (really good offensive coach)
6. Crean (may move up this list quickly in a few years)
7. Painter (Baby Boilers never got it done, but gets a bit of a pass due to Hummel's injuries)
8. Weber (hard to put him here since he's such a damn good guy, but no results with his own players)
9. Carmody (the offense is great, but make a tournament one of these years)
10. McCaffery (will move up, the Hawkeyes are coming)
11. Doc (cool name, Nebraska's a bit of a snakepit)
12. Chambers (someone has to be last)
Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.
I had to do process of elimination with Patrick Chambers. Still, I have never really heard of him and I watch a lot of basketball.
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1. Tom Izzo
2. Tom Crean
3. Bo Ryan
4. Bill Carmody
5. Thad Matta
6. John Beilein
7. Tubby Smith
8. Matt Painter
9. Fran McCaffery
10. Bruce Weber
11. Doc Sadler
12. Patrick Chambers
"RCMB: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainry." - some dude from MgoBlog
1. Tom Izzo
2. Tom Crean
3. Bo Ryan
4. Thad Matta
5. John Beilein
6. Tubby Smith
7. Matt Painter
8. Bill Carmody
9. Fran McCaffery
10. Bruce Weber
11. Doc Sadler
12. Patrick Chambers
Does it really matter? Izzo by far is #1, and the rest... In the words of our very own Izzone... WHO CARES!!! Go State!
This post was edited by 1Sparty 2 years ago
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i'm talking specifically about in game coaching. Matta is the best recruiter in the Big Ten no question - which leads to success in the conference but not so much outside of it - largely because I think he's a shitty game coach...particularly when things get tight. He's highly susceptible to bone head moments and it's clear his team gets flustered when challenged. He wins because he has amazing talent to work with - but I could win a lot of games with the five stars he collects.
Fran McCaffery sure suffers a lot of 30 point beatdowns for being such an elite in-game coach.
he has zero to work with right now...but i think if you gave him sullinger and buford and so on he'd go a hell of a lot farther than Matta.
I don't expect anyone to agree completely on this...that's why i think it's interesting to discuss. again, taking recruiting out and looking at actual in game coaching I think Matta fails the smell test. I also think Beilein is one of the better in the league. I'm just curious to see what others think of the supposed "best" coaches vis a vis the middle tier teams who don't have as much success, but that is largely the fault of talent. i.e. if Tubby is in Columbus, does he contend for titles? Does he make it past the second weekend of the tourney as a 1 or 2 seed?
I think he's a decent coach but #2 is way too high. And he actually does have some decent talent. Marble, Basabe, Gatens, Cartright, White...all those guys can ball.
Huh? How can you have a guy whose never made the NCAA at 7, above two guys who've played for a NC?
Surprised to have some of these guys so low. We have a solid conference.
If you consider in game, game planning, resume, and recruiting, I see it:
1. Izzo (can't deny it)
2. Tubby - his previous consistency has him up this far. I don't think Minnesota is the 2nd best team/program in the conference.
3. Crean - done a great job with IU, both in the lockerroom and on the recruiting trail.
4. Beilein - Hate their program, but he's picked it up on recruiting and turned a bottom dweller into middle-of-the pack, who sometimes will contend for championships. This is going to get downvotes, but his program reminds me of the early days of the Dantonio era. Except in this analogy, we're Ohio State...
5. Matta - I think he's a terrible game-planning coach (does his team actually run any plays?) but hes the best recruiter in conference
6. Bo Ryan - doesn't recruit well, plays a bitch brand of ball, but that still gets W's.
7. Carmody - Does great for what he has, but his resume is empty.
8. Painter - Made his good-not-great resume off one great recruiting class.
9. McCaffery - another bad resume, but he's got his team headed in the right direction
10. Weber - guy is basically handed a great program with a built-in Chicago pipeline... and he's done nothing with it.
12. Penn State
2. Bo Ryan - regardless of style, this is a big ten ranking and he has proven himself in the big ten.
3. Thad Matta - Also does great in the big ten. great recruiter, which is a big part of the game.
4. Beilein - has reinvigorated a downtrodden program, needs to take the next step.
5. Crean - see above. Only belein is a little further along with a couple tournament appearances and a victory.
6. Tubby Smith - still gets credit for success earlier in his career
7. Matt Painter - Hasn't yet put it all together, but has shown promise
8. Bruce Weber - also hasn't put it all together. Has underachieved some after success early in his career.
9. Fran McCaffery - Don't personally like him, but has pulled off some upsets this year.
10. Carmody - Some success at NU comparatively, but needs to make the tourney.
11. Chambers - a few surprises already this year despite grim expectations.
12. Doc - Newcommer to the big ten. Haven't seen anything to rank him above anyone else.
This post was edited by HOLA boi 2 years ago
I can agree with this one.
There are just too many ways of looking at it to really make a list that makes any sense. Recruiting, how good the support staff and institution is, how the program has improved or not, wins and losses, player development...on and on.
Here's the only way i can keep it straight. If i had a son, and each of these coaches coached at the SAME university, this is the order of which i'd want my son to play for them:
so i guess that's my list for coaches that coach, develop, build character, and win, in roughly that order.
Can't put McCaffrey in the bottom 3...he has been successful everywhere he's been including big NCAA tourney wins (at Sienna beat #4 vandy, OSU)
McCaffrey may have not done much YET at Iowa, but he has done a lot with that program in a short time. He also has a very good class coming in, with guys that would have always gone to Kansas before (think Heinrich, Collison, LaFraentz).
Izzo is obviously #1, Bo Ryan 2, Tubby 3, Matta 4...McCaffrey battles the middle pack with Painter/Weber. But not bottom, no way.
This post was edited by PCL 2 years ago
I had to do the same thing. Now I'm drawing a complete blank on what happened to Ed Dechellis (sp)
youngblood96/viggo martyr/jargon: tRCMB's answer to Vidkun Quisling and Fred Phelps.
I have McCaffrey bottom three because it seems like he doesn't coach good defense, his players are kind of reckless, and he seems like a real whiny stuck up snot. I realize he wins and recruits, and i expect Iowa to be very good in a couple of years. It just didn't seem with my criteria, whom i want my kid's coach to be, the Church Lady would be high on the list.
Went to Army.
EDIT: Scratch that. Navy.
This post was edited by Foot B Dude2001 2 years ago
...beyond a stretch of Maryland pines there's a river without a name.
Can't believe most of you have Crean so high. I get that hes an Izzo guy, but he really hasn't done nearly enough to be #2 in the conference or anything.
8-11. Everyone else
Bring back Rich Rod!
I would agree with this ranking. Matta is pretty high on results and recruiting. He probably has been the most successful within Big 10 conference play and Big 10 tourney but has yet to excell and achieve in the NCAAs. That is why he trails Izzo. Now if Matta finds a way to win the whole thing and I think he has a chance this year then the gap will narrow between Izzo and Matta. I would have Matta at #2. Tubby did well when he was at Kentucky, a school that automatically gets the best talent every year for some reason. Hard not to do well at Kentucky. Tubby is just middle of the pack as a B1G coach. Beilien would be around 4 to 5 but rising stock. Crean can recruit, he may rise from the middle in the next couple years. Ryan does more with less than anyone. And Bill Carmody may be the most underated coach in the league. Bottom line the B1G has a lot of very good coaches.
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