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Doesn't every QB struggle at times?
Most of them can name one guy from our defense...Tom Gholston.
"Hey!! Gimme one of those hats!"
Their overall feeling is that he will struggle his first year in a starting role, maybe they should think back to their own QB;s (last two that started for them). They both were being talked about the Heisman Trophy,at least in Sept.during their first year to start. Guess it makes a difference to them that the guy is wearing a green and white uniform so he can not be as good.
Thank you! I always try to talk to my walverine friends from high school. I can name so many more UM players than they can it's disgusting. Granted, I'm a college football slappy, but still. I try to debate them on players they will be losing/gaining, and I'm pretty sure they just think UM will be better just because.
I am sure some of them love the way his ball leans back like Fat Joe.
I am not even sure what you call that...a water balloon? Shoe boy relies on his receivers to get wide open.
I wish Maxwell would have had an easier game than BSU to start with. If he plays well that should do wonders for his confidence. Then again I wish we didn't have to pay them a million bucks to play.
He actually performed fairly well (considering) too.
Maxwell's career numbers (2 years as active):
Rushing Attempts: 9 (Sacks count)
Rushing Yards: -3.9 (Sack yardages counts)
Rushing Long: 4
Rushing TD's: 0
Devin Gardiner's career numbers (2 years as active):
Rushing Attempts: 32 (Sacks count)
Rushing Yards: 74 (Sack yardages counts)
Rushing Long: 15
Rushing TD's: 2
Who is the more experienced "QB" ? (Take in consideration the fact that I asked "QB" and the fact that while both have been active college QB's for 2 years, Maxwell has an additional year in MSU systems as a red shirt.)
I showed this to a Michigan fan last month after the one point basketball loss....when he was mouthing off about how we should get used to losing to Michigan in Football too because now that we have to replace a QB (Cousin's beat Michigan his first year too...and he had less herald/experience than Maxwell coming in - but that doesn't count...Rich Rod)! He never answered.
I do too...if you think about the B1G next year a lot of teams should drop off in their passing game. Iowa loses McNutt, Wisconsin loses Wilson, and Northwestern loses Persa.
I think MInnesota should improve with their QB. He looked like he was getting better as the year went along. OSU should improve as well with their QB who looked rough and inexperienced last year.
UM and NEB return QBs with a lot of starting experience. Still not sold on Dennards arm for obvious reasons. Plus he loses Hemmingway and there will be no Stonum.
PSU - their O seemed anemic at times last year.
One thing I like about our O next year is Bell should be a beast and big weapon for us. As long as Bell can put up big yards and Maxwell can manage the drives without making mistakes I like our chances. Looking up and down the B1G I see no reason why Maxwell shouldn't be a top 5 to top 4 QB in the B1G.
But has Andrew Maxwell ever done THIS....
Thank you, Denicos.
The fans that believe you guys will falter because of Maxwell are delusional. MSU will have a solid OL coming back as well as a top flight RB. All Maxwell will have to is manage the game efficiently and not make huge mistakes. Your defense will keep you in every game as long as the offense doesn't turn the ball over too much. The Boise game will be a great challenge for Maxwell in his first game. He'll have CMU to help build his confidence that should get the ball rolling for MSU.
By the time he plays UM he will have played Boise, ND, OSU, and Iowa so he will be well prepared going into the game. The only problem may be that Maxwell will be starting in his first real hostile environment all year which can work into UM's favor if they can cause a couple early turnovers and force MSU to play catch up. Not likely to happen but could still be a factor for the first couple series of the game.
And for the fans that say Morris will start from day one are also delusional. It's clear the coaches have a ton of confidence in Gardner and I expect him to be the obvious No. 1. Morris may not even play until his 3rd year if Gardner gets the medical redshirt he applied for. Gardner was a 4/5* and is perfectly capable of running the west coast system Borges wants to run.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by UMGoBlue 2 years ago
Cousins had leadership and other intangibles on his side, but Maxwell will put up better numbers than Cousins. He is simply the better passer--better accuracy and he throws a "more catchable ball."
Now...better numbers don't always mean more wins. Cousins ability to perform well under pressure was a powerful intangible in his favor. But I've heard more than one MSU player echo these same sentiments (about Maxwell).
Largely agree with Blue above. Some fans seem to think we are out our running game when by all accounts Bell took over the number one spot last season and Baker was becoming a depth player. The o line will be improved and we should expect a respectable if not great AB to pick up where Cousins left off.
The thing that worries me is the tough schedule and a new QB playing in the Big House but this year should be interesting if nothing else. Hoping for the best.
This post was edited by TheBlitzIsOn 2 years ago
Then there's the fact that Yakety Sax Gardner throws like a girl.
I see Maxwell as at LEAST a game manager in the first few games. Coaches will not throw too much his way early in the season until AW shows he can handle it. I trust our coaches more that I believe UM slappies. UMGoBlue makes many good points. Nice to see a reasonable and respectful Wolvie fan on this board. +1 for him.
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Good post, I agree with pretty much everything.
The only exception is that I think I think Maxwell playing in Ann Arbor is going to be a bigger factor. You just never know how a kid is going to react playing on the road and how he'll feel the pressure. My hope is that the defense comes out and gets a couple 3 and outs to start the game until Maxwell settles in.
A lot of people complained about playing the CMU game in Mt. Pleasant, but it could work out really well. It'll give Maxwell and the young receivers a road game in an environment that shouldn't be too hostile before they have to go to UM.
We are not the same, I am a Spartan
Maxwell will at least have 2 road games under his belt as a starter to get the routine down...against IU and CMU. My hope is he gets the jitters out.
Plus he's played @ Iowa and in a Bowl game v. Alabama and has traveled with the team and has been on the sideline for games at (I think) every B1G stadium.
This post was edited by RPMadMSU 2 years ago
I got into a big argument with one of my buddies (scUM fan) the other day about this. I'd take Maxwell in a heartbeat, and I'd take him every time. And he's never even started.
Denard will be a senior!! Oooooooooooooooooooh!! Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!
And he'll throw 18 picks. So shut the fuck up.
Bring on Maxwell's Siver Hammer...
I forgot that they play at IU as well, that should help him.
I didn't count Iowa and Alabama because we were getting pounded when he came in and the crowd wasn't a factor. Plus when you come in as the backup the pressure just isn't the same as it is when you start the game and are THE guy.
This post was edited by msusnee 2 years ago
True, but to say he absolutely lacks experience (as many Michigan fans are banking on) is pretty naive.
That made me laugh. I need to watch that video again.
I definitely agree with you, he's gotten some valuable game experience. I think the bowl game against Alabama was especially beneficial even if it wasn't a road game because I think it exposed him to the speed of a top notch defense playing at its best.
I think most Michigan fans also fail to realize that he's been the heir apparent for two years. With Boisture getting hurt, there was no doubt that Maxwell was going to be the guy after Cousins, which I think has added some comfort and stability to the program.
I think I'll take Cunningham's view on the subject when he said 'Maxwell is going to take it to a whole other level'.
Nίκη για MSU
Me too. Yup, still funny
In a thread about our fans defending Maxwell from another team saying that since he hasn't played before, he's not going to be very good, we have someone listing teams that are going to regress because they lost their QB or best WR.
How is you saying Wisconsin loses Wilson and NW loses Persa so they are going to have a drop off in their passing game any different than a um fan questioning Maxwell as our QB and saying we are going to have a drop off? Isn't that exactly the same thing that this entire thread is, ripping into other fans questioning our drop off from losing our QB and top WR's?
Last year at this time and right on through spring practice many UM posters repeated the corporate mantra that Denard Robinson was not a shotgun QB in high school, but an under center, dropback, pocket passer with an excellent arm. I can't remember how many times I heard how Borges was going to refine shoelace into an accomplished passer. After their spring game where Robinson shredded their defense they used that as proof to back up their statements. What they failed to realize or should I say chose to ignore was that in the spring game Robinson ran around like a chicken with his head cut off, and the throws he did make were due to his scrambling. More often times than not when Robinson just stood in the pocket he exhibited the same poor judgement that he displayed in his first two seasons.
I expect more of the same this year leading right up to preseason camp. It won't be until Robinson leaves will they make a realistic appraisal of his passing ability.
The reason why Maxwell is such an unknown to UM fans is that he hasn't had much opportunity to play with Cousins being the starter, and the fact that he didn't come to MSU with the over-hypedness of the last several UM QB's. Remember they've had Mallet, Forcier, Robinson, Gardiner and now Morris, all coming in with high rankings and huge expectations. What they fail to grasp in comparison to MSU is that almost every year for the last four or five seasons there has been some uncertainty as to who their quarterback would be.
They have routinely gone into a season with some measure of controversy since 2008. In 2007, Henne's senior year they brought in Mallet who was going to assume the reins of the offense. Then Carr left, Rodriguez arrived in 2008 and before the ink on his contract was dry, Mallet was asking to be released and allowed to transfer. Threat, another transfer, QB'd Rodriguez's first UM squad because he literally had no one. In 2009 RR brought in Forcier and Denard even though he had a returning starter in Threat. Threat takes a seat while Tate and Denard share duty. Forcier winning the first of UM's three consecutive September Heisman's edge's out Robinson by a hair but his hold on the position was tenuous at best. Robinson has a strong spring and by the start of 2010 is named the third starter in as many years. Even having secured his role as the starter, Forcier is often called upon to replace the struggling Robinson. Last year Robinson managed to hold onto his starting role, but there were whispers about Gardiner possibly unseating him because of possibly being the better passer. Heading into 2012 it is likely Robinson will retain his starting assignment, but it will be to the detriment of Gardiner in the end. UM's offense still revolves around Denard running and not implementing the west coast offense Borges is known for and desires to run.
In 2013 the UM offense will go through a major transformation because it will no longer revolve around the running ability of its quarterback. I see 2013 as being a huge adjustment for the UM OL as it will be forced to change its blocking scheme to accommodate for a less mobile QB. The receivers will have to get used to having defenders play them differently than what they have become accustomed with Robinson at QB. The UM running game will return to a more traditional style.
In contrast, since 2007 MSU has had two starting QB's, Hoyer and Cousins. The transition from Brian to Kirk was almost transparent except for some inexperience issues early with Cousins. 2012 will see the transition to Andrew Maxwell, who though not having a great deal of experience, does have a few thing going for him in his favor. He will have been in the program a full three years learning the offense. He has developed a rapport with many of the receivers he will be throwing to because of them having been playing on the second team offense. The atmosphere since Hoyer in 2007 has been one of mentoring backups. Hoyer mentored Cousins. Cousins has mentored Maxwell. Maxwell will mentor the next starting QB. The emphasis has been on film study and having the starter and backup continually being instructed on the positives and negatives of plays during the game.
My prediction for MSU in 2012 is that defenses are going to concentrate heavily on stopping MSU's running game and test Maxwell. They are going to force Maxwell to beat them with his arm. This is a sound plan when you consider Maxwell has limited game experience and he will be throwing to a group of receivers who are equally as inexperienced. Until the QB and receivers show the ability to make plays defenses will not respect the MSU passing game.
I believe MSU's running game will not struggle to the degree it did this past season. Those struggles were mainly attributed to the offensive line and adjusting to new personnel and not Baker, Bell and Caper losing their edge. Bell and Caper should have a more productive year rushing along with the smattering of Hill and Tompkins. If the passing game can produce satisfactory results similar to Cousins first year as a starter in 2009 the team should have a very productive season.
Another key: Maxwell will be practicing against our 1st team D all this offseason. If that doesn't prep him to play against any D in the confernece (including the "scary" scUM D), then he will never be ready.
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