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I don't care if it's long, this should be repeated on every page in this thread. Extremely well said and proof why you're one of the best posters on this board.
Boys, I may not know much, but I know chicken shit from chicken salad. -- Lyndon Johnson
That has nothing to do with Maryland leaving though.
The GOR is a different case. Used a lot in the publishing world. Damages are defined and limited in GOR breach.
I completely understand the cases are different in some aspects. The Maryland outcome will still provide a sense as to how a court (and more importantly, perhaps the same court) will view the enforceability of punitive breach of contract clauses generally.
Good post Rocky:
That being said I would much rather play OSU in a one-off game especially coming off of a game against Michigan (assuming the big 2 get their way and save the Michigan/OSU game for the end of the regular season).
Even though the end result was disappointing actually MAKING it to the B1G Championship game and winning the "Legends Division" was a small accomplishment and something we still brag about to this day on recruiting videos and our website etc. Having to go through OSU to even get to the championship game is what I'm concerned about. This is one of the reasons I've always wondered why Michigan fans WANT to be in the same division as OSU.
I look at the trouble that Northwestern and Iowa have given us during the Dantonio era and worry about playing OSU, Michigan, PSU every year and then trying to avoid a letdown against an Iowa and Northwestern out of the West. I'm sure a 1-2 loss team will probably take the East most years and I just worry if we split OSU-UM that we might take a loss from somebody we draw out of the West knocking us out of the race in the East.
I can't speak for all UM fans, but I would rather be in the same division as OSU so that UM is not forced to play/beat them twice in one season to win the conference. And I would like the game to remain at the end of the season and have as much meaning as possible. Having the division title possibly hanging in the balance accomplishes all of those desires as best as possible.
It is better for recruiting if players know they will play games in the horseshoe and the big dump.
It is better for exposure if we are playing OSU and UM every year.
Unless they'd be willing to protect cross-divisional rivalries, this is really the best we can hope for.
Aren't guys who think playing in Ann Arbor and Columbus is important likely to just go to Um and OSU.?
I thought this at first too, but wouldn't a GoR case have more to do with intellectual property ownership than a punitive breach of contract?
Playing UM or OSU has no impact on recruiting for MSU or anyone else.
However, playing a game each year against Rutgers and Maryland keeps MSU in front of those east coast recruits as they grow up watching CFB. It also means that if they came to MSU, they'd play in front of their "home town" fans twice during their career.
I'm happy to be in the east, the only way to elevate the program is to get in on more out of state recruits, and exposure in the east is the way to do that. As for who is in our division, we'd have to beat them at some point anyway, so I don't care when we play them.
OSU is THE football power in the conference, anyone can see that. But, Meyer has presided over a highly talented team imploding before. By playing OSU/UM/PSU every year, we are given the chance to hang a loss on them. Better to rely on ourselves than on Purdue or Northwestern.
Exactly. And if they can't (because they don't have an offer), are they really more likely to go to an East division Indiana, Maryland, Rutgers over a West division MSU?
A West division MSU would still play in those venues during a recruit's career, and (in my opinion) MSU would be building a track record of success in the West that would start to make us look more attractive even to the recruits considering UM/OSU. Playing in the West would actually be a differentiating factor for us vs the two programs we most frequently butt heads with on the recruiting trail.
I don't buy the premise that a player is choosing a school based not on the potential of that school's football program, but instead by the road venues they will play in.
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I'd rather play them in Spartan Stadium and then have to play 9-3 Wisky in Indy.
PSU is going to get worse each year from now until about 2018.
Remember, tOSU and UM will have the same cross-division issues: UM is going to have years where they play tOSU, MSU, PSU, Nebraska, Wisconsin and Iowa.
Ultimately I don't think it's a big deal either way. The current Legends division is probably preferable, but as I said before, you're either going to have to deal with tOSU during the regular season or in the CCG.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Mark Hollis with some interesting statements regarding the new divisions.
It's pretty obvious that, by measure of recent history, the proposed East Division is stronger than the West in football, the engine department of the collegiate sports revenue train.
It will be years before we know - if ever - what the real and official desire was for MSU with this alignment. Perhaps when the next book comes... I wrote in another post that I thought Hollis would be looking at ticket sales. Fact is that those two games fill our statdium and sell season tickets - and not all to Spartan fans.
I have one example for you. Penn State. I was born there and my family (aunts uncles etc) went to school there.
Penn State is only a power now based on YEARs and DECADES of beating up on Temple, Rutgers, and the weakest schedule imaginable. I used to make fun of them but they wouldn't have any of it. Its been more difficult for them in the B1G. That isn't the point. A reputation for winning is more important than who you play if you move from non power to power in football. Winning one or two big games a year is MUCH easier than winning several in a row where it is all about depth of talent.
We have recently fielded some damn fine football teams but didn't make the BCS based on perception and # of loses.
There are benefits to both divisions. Being in the B1G negates the money difference.
In my opinion, a long string of playing in the championship game and you become a power. All those victories would result in a stronger brand, and better recruiting.
"Hollis said Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany made sure to get input and consider the priorities that each of the Big Ten schools brought to the table."-mlive
so basically what we all knew, that Jimbo picked the divisions and of course set out to help SCum and O$U while screwing us over .
""We want to deliver the top two games to fans, which we determined by ticket sales, and Michigan and Ohio State were the most popular.''-Hollis
so he caved to fill seats in Spartan Stadium with white trash SCum fans and O$u red...necks
Stupid conspiracy theory. The Michigan game should just go away. Many of you such as yourself take the fun away from it.
We should just join the new Big East since many of you are too scared of fellow Big Ten schools.
I respect Hollis a lot but I don't know if I completely believe that the rivalry and keeping OSU and UofM for ticket sales were the most important and driving factors for MSU. Yes, the rivalry is very important with UofM and of course ticket sales are as well... but UofM most likely would have been a protected rivalry I believe and Wisconsin and Nebraska can help sell tickets almost as well as OSU and PSU. Plus, the East has its fair share of mediocre football programs (IU, Maryland and Rutgers) that I doubt stir a ton of ticket sales after the first few years wear off. I tend to believe that some of these decisions were out of MSU's hands... sure they had input but assuming this is what Delaney, UofM, and OSU wanted how much protest could MSU or any other school offer to change it? Just my opinion. Although I also tend to believe that while the East is tougher it is not as brutal as some people believe and I think MSU will have a decent chance at doing well in that division.
Yeah, I don't get this sentiment that MSU is f'd in the east. For all anyone knows PSU and osu may have cross divisional games at Wisconsin, Nebraska, etc. as well, while MSU has Illinois, Minny, and so on. Nobody really has a cakewalk through the B1G East, that is until the schedules come out.
no joke. As if moving West magically makes MSU skip tOSU and PSU every year . . . . and the assumption that Nebraska and Wisky are easy pickings. IIRC, MSU has never beaten Nebraska. Not once. At least MSU has W's over tOSU, UM and PSU in the last 3 seasons.
I also think that it'll help NJ/Maryland recruiting, 2 territories that the Big 10 has done just "ok" in in recent years (outside of PSU). I know MSU would love to grab Gerald Owens out of NJ this year, and being able to promise 2 games in Piscataway during his career at MSU can't be a bad thing. Not saying that it will be THE determining factor, but rather it will reduces the negative "distance" factor.
Let's face it. The "West" has 1 good recruiting state in IL and then the most recruiting-poor regions.
Why does everyone assume PSU is gonna get worse when they're still recruiting at an elite level?
We are 3-8 against them since 2000 with exactly one win EVER in Happy Valley. Multiple embarrassing beatdowns both home and away, a new coach with an NFL mind, oh and continued elite recruits committing.
Face it in the west we are annually in the mix for the top three, we are clearly the fourth horse in the East and we are not above PSU at all.
Time to step up to the plate and prove me wrong MD
Those scholarship losses will crush them. Their depth will be miserable in a yr or 2.
"losing Caleb Benenoch is a blow that Dantonio will never recover from. Izzo has lost it as well. Hoke and Beilein own the state."
It makes the game against PSU and OSU not matter for division standings and therefore who goes the CCG.
Or you could look at it as the Wisky/Neb games don't matter, because you can be darn sure MSU sees them regularly.
Also, all the games count 1. It's not like the CCG is determined by just your games vs. your division. It matters in terms of tiebreakers, but overall conf. W's and L's matter the most.
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