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Think about it this way: if the divisions were 2 independent conferences...and...MSU was on the outside being courted by these 2 conferences, which one would we want to join??
I contend the prestige of the East would get fans much more excited than the West and that going to the West would have been considered a lesser conference and a bad choice vs the east.
And which of these 2 "conferences" would you want to be associated with if you were a top recruit. I contend it will be easier to recruit in that division than in the west. Kids in Mich, Ohio and Pennsylvania who do not go to OSU or UM will likely prefer to play in the Eastern "conference" vs playing for somebody in the West. The tough recruiting job will be in trying to get Illinois kids to MSU in the future. Iowa and Wisc (and maybe NW and Ill) will get these kids easier than MSU
The one who will feel screwed on this is Neb. They just left a conf that had unbalanced divisions and were placed in the weak division. Did not seem to help them much that they were in the weak division for national ratings, etc. The Big XII South was the place to be and media and recruits knew it. Neb signed on with the expectation of playing UM and MSU every year and PSU annually as a cross over. Now long cycles to UM and PSU and even longer to OSU than now.
And would you rather buy season tix for the East schedule...or the West schedule?? Lets put our big boy pants on and compete!!
This post was edited by buckeyesparty 12 months ago
BOTTOM line fellas........Basketball: BRING IT
.......Football: we gone.
other sports: dont' care.
I am not in favor of that allignment, however, most people around here want our program to be strong enough to compete with these teams, and beat them on a regular basis anyways. Well, to survive we better get to that level quickly. I say relax and enjoy the ride, it isnt your problem, it is LKS, Hollis, and coach D's problem. We will see how it goes.
It looks like one of those double edged swords. If you win everything (against UMich, OSU, and let's even assume that Penn State will be back someday), you'll be golden. There would be no way to NOT make a BCS bowl whether or not you loss in the B1G championship. Or if you only lose once, and an undefeated B1G East team goes to the B1G championship, you have a very high chance of going to a BCS bowl over the B1G champ game loser (unless it's a one-loss Nebraska).
However, if you lose at least three games (so basically against UMich, OSU, Penn State), you're probably going nowhere (unless of course everyone in the East division also somehow loses three times as well). It does takes off pressure of going undefeated in the division (because the schedule is now so tough that it'll be hard for anyone to), but you obviously have to be the one on top or else it's nothing. One example would be something like when LSU, 'Bama, and Arkansas were technically 1, 2, 3... Ark. goes "nowhere". Or dare I mention Mississippi State the past few years? Considering that the perception of the B1G is not very good right now, three loses could mean no BCS bowl game (depending on what happens of course).
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by RPGEnix0 12 months ago
MSU win-loss record since 1990
Ohio State 3-13
Penn State 5-13
Notice a difference?
Add them up and what do you get: a .500 program.
Seems fair..... Hahahaha, it's beyond me how this uneven alignment is possible.
"Stats are for Losers." - Pat "Nardawg" Narduzzi
You can bet your ass that Delany sure did.
"I love March!" - Tom Izzo
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb
1. They aren't separate conferences. They play each other still. Taking that cross interaction out of the equation skews the premise
2. The comparison with the Big 12 North only makes sense with MSU in the East. If. MSU were in the West, the inference would be more balanced. The better comparison would be the SEC.
3. Nebraska left the Big 12 because of money. Texas was squeezing cash out of he rest of the conference. On the field, they were more than happy. They went to 5 BCS bowls and on a NC in the Big 12 North.
If you add an extra 30 games against Maryland and Rutgers, they probably come out even.
I get that it's geography, but the new divisions tell me Jim Delany doesn't "buy" MSU as a legit contending program.
This is a fair point that Joe makes. He obviously felt UW has a better chance than us at contending. I'm still pissed about this.
Come on guys, these are divisions based on pure geography. It was nice to pretend that they'd split up MSU-scUM and put us in the West, but MSU is in the eastern half of the B1G. Plus, those proposals called for keeping Indiana and Purdue together, just so they'd be the ones getting screwed.
But let's be honest - the only real change is that MSU would be playing OSU and PSU every year, and not playing Nebraska every year, because we're going to play scUM annually regardless. It's a bit of a step up, but not a huge one.
True, but by skewing our schedule to playing an inordinate number of games against the teams we do poorly against suggests we would be a sub .500 team.
Those west teams are so damn happy right now. Osborne is licking Delaney's clit as we speak.
How do you figure? Based on extrapolation, our record against Rutgers would still be .500. It wouldn't be equal.
It's bigger than you think.
Winning breeds cockiness. Going 7-6 while shitting down your leg in conference, not winning a goddamn home game and averaging a TD per game doesn't exactly help the cause. We had a monumental opportunity this season and blew it in SOS fashion. And recruits took notice.
I'm sure he had a say
drunk and honest dmcc is not happy about this alignment...
For the love of Trevor...™
Good stuff MD vs Meyer every year
This is the worst situation that could have happened. Someone they aligned the conferences even MORE unbalanced than they did the first time around, which I thought was impossible. Wtf.
This post was edited by TheBlitzIsOn 12 months ago
And Nebraska is our protected rival, right?
Michigan State is . OSU, UM and PSU* plus whatever crossover game is gonna be rough.
I guess this means I'll be ditching my trips to Madison every other year and going to East Lansing now. Can't wait to see my first game in Spartan Stadium.
*Laugh at Penn State now as they will be an easy win. Just wait til they come back from their sanctions and Bill O'Brien turns his teams into an angry team like that 94' PSU team. No one will be laughing at them then. Only a matter of time before they get back to their elite status.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by NuttyBuckeyes 12 months ago
Should help recruiting.
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