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  • Denim Chicken said... (original post)

    Opti, do you use bad grammar on purpose to draw even more attention to yourself? Or are you just that uneducated?

    I prefer the Mark Twain approach, do it like I like to read it.

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  • Gob_Bluth said... (original post)

    facepalm_msu

    Whomever taught you how to use the English language needs to be shot in the face.


    Oops, I should have put 'They are' and 'than'. It was early morning, oh well. lol

    However, I can say this, at least I have a clue about what I am talking about.

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  • Optiking said... (original post)

    That's not what I said, i said i believe it is a defect based upon five independent studies i posted on Wells and related to hormonal, genetic, pheromone, and parental issues--- BUT they could live how they choose.

    Also, i have nothing about a civil union, but against gay marriage if they try to sanctify it before God.

    If you are going to quote someone, try to get it right. lol

    You can get married at a city hall. You can get married in a drive-thru in Vegas. In your religion, marriage is a blessed event that is done with "God" being involved. Bully for you. But not everyone believes in your religion and it is quite wrong to try to make your religious beliefs become law.

    And it has been made abundantly clear to you exactly that the idea of Separate But Equal (which is what civil unions would be sold as) is of no good. But that doesn't matter to you because you are a bigot who wants to deny a segment of the population equal rights.

    Serious question: how old are you?

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  • Eddie Fingers said... (original post)

    You can get married at a city hall. You can get married in a drive-thru in Vegas. Don't tell me that marriage is so sacred and this wonderful event that homosexuals would defile if they were allowed to do it. Heterosexuals have done enough damage to the institution of marriage with zero help from gay people.

    And it has been made abundantly clear to you exactly that the idea of Separate But Equal (which is what civil unions would be sold as) is of no good. But that doesn't matter to you because you are a bigot who wants to deny a segment of the population equal rights.

    Serious question: how old are you?

    The only part of that I will agree with is heterosexuals have messed up marriage as well in the last 30+ years and do not or have not taken it as seriously as they should.

    I never said anything about civil unions not being effective.

    Since you are not open to an opposing view--you are the bigot.

    In fact, i am in favor of helping gays and all people as much as possible without it infringing on my core beliefs.

    How old are you?

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  • Optiking said... (original post)

    If you are going to quote someone, try to get it right.

    lol

    Irony is funny.

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  • Optiking said... (original post)

    1) Ah no.

    2) All humans should have access to all basic rights, never said they shouldn't, whether that be food, shelter, clothing, etc. But gay marriage sanctified by God? not so much.

    You do realize that marriage is a legal matter right? When people get divorced religion does not decide who gets what assets in the legal seperation it is lawyers and courts, you do understand that right?

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  • pulling69 said... (original post)

    Writing emails to Joe Rexrode?

    notice how he didn't deny that......

    what did you have for dinner kevin?

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  • Optiking said... (original post)

    The only part of that I will agree with is heterosexuals have messed up marriage as well in the last 30+ years and do not or have not taken it as seriously as they should.

    I never said anything about civil unions not being effective.

    Since you are not open to an opposing view--you are the bigot.

    In fact, i am in favor of helping gays and all people as much as possible without it infringing on my core beliefs.

    How old are you?

    Opti -
    I have never been one of the +/-'s haters and never really had a problem with your posts.
    I fully support your right to say whatever you want.
    But if you want to come here, hijack this thread, and tell us all youre NOT a bigot, and then say that marriage is something that involves god.
    Just realize- that yes, you are a prejudiced person. On multiple fronts.

    You say that you are in favor of civil unions, and Im assuming that your understanding of civil union is that they come with all the legal benefits of a legal marriage (taxes, inheritance, shared benefits).
    Now if your cool with that- then your only real beef with gays getting married is really just an issue with A word.

    Because surely you realize - that here in 'Merica we have all these different religions that don't necessarily involve your god. (and Im going out on a limb here to say that you're some kind of christian). There are also a whole bunch of people who don't even believe that your god exists, that no god exists. And because of the first amendment they have that right to believe in all these different gods and/or no gods.

    So if 2 of these non-god fearing people, meet fall in love, and decide to spend the rest of their lives together.
    Its fine if they get married so long as they are a opposite sexes.

    But if they happen to be the same sex. Now they are making a mockery of YOUR religion?
    They are fringing on YOUR core beliefs? Even though they might not even care to participate in your religion, your core beliefs? When they dont want god in their life at all. They just want to be able to file taxes together.

    Marriage is no longer a strictly religious event. More broadly it is simply a legal event. This is a fact, it is empirical. And I say this as a minister who has performed 2 marriages. (where i didnt say the word god once). Its your opposing view, that marriage is strictly religious - that starts to make you a bigot, because that belief cannot be supported by fact.

    But Christian Men, they can get married, they can verbally emotionally and physically abuse a woman to the point where they feel worthless, and without any options. That man can then force that woman into marriage- and priests can reinforce the bond of marriage and counsel those battered women to not leave. And that marriage is okay with you and is allowed and approved by your god?

    Again- you are entitled to think what you want. Your opinion is protected, and that I can respect.
    But people are also entitled to question your opinions, and your beliefs.
    But your beliefs and your opinions are certainly capable of making you a bigot.
    and thats fine. Its just a word. Like homosexual is a word.
    and sometimes people might technically not be a bigot in all sense of the word-

    but they can still be an a**hole.

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  • JonEintheD said... (original post)

    Opti - I have never been one of the +/-'s haters and never really had a problem with your posts. I fully support your right to say whatever you want. But if you want to come here, hijack this thread, and tell us all youre NOT a bigot, and then say that marriage is something that involves god. Just realize- that yes, you are a prejudiced person. On multiple fronts.

    You say that you are in favor of civil unions, and Im assuming that your understanding of civil union is that they come with all the legal benefits of a legal marriage (taxes, inheritance, shared benefits). Now if your cool with that- then your only real beef with gays getting married is really just an issue with A word.

    Because surely you realize - that here in 'Merica we have all these different religions that don't necessarily involve your god. (and Im going out on a limb here to say that you're some kind of christian). There are also a whole bunch of people who don't even believe that your god exists, that no god exists. And because of the first amendment they have that right to believe in all these different gods and/or no gods.

    So if 2 of these non-god fearing people, meet fall in love, and decide to spend the rest of their lives together. Its fine if they get married so long as they are a opposite sexes.

    But if they happen to be the same sex. Now they are making a mockery of YOUR religion? They are fringing on YOUR core beliefs? Even though they might not even care to participate in your religion, your core beliefs? When they dont want god in their life at all. They just want to be able to file taxes together.

    Marriage is no longer a strictly religious event. More broadly it is simply a legal event. This is a fact, it is empirical. And I say this as a minister who has performed 2 marriages. (where i didnt say the word god once). Its your opposing view, that marriage is strictly religious - that starts to make you a bigot, because that belief cannot be supported by fact.

    But Christian Men, they can get married, they can verbally emotionally and physically abuse a woman to the point where they feel worthless, and without any options. That man can then force that woman into marriage- and priests can reinforce the bond of marriage and counsel those battered women to not leave. And that marriage is okay with you and is allowed and approved by your god?

    Again- you are entitled to think what you want. Your opinion is protected, and that I can respect. But people are also entitled to question your opinions, and your beliefs. But your beliefs and your opinions are certainly capable of making you a bigot. and thats fine. Its just a word. Like homosexual is a word. and sometimes people might technically not be a bigot in all sense of the word-

    but they can still be an a**hole.

    Certainly, you have a right to your opinion, but i did NOT hijack the thread, I was called a bigot FIRST before i replied because this issue as already been discussed ad nauseum on Wells.

    There seems to be a failure on your part to read the posts in the correct order.

    Like i have stated, my only concern is trying to sanctify same sex marriage before God.

    If people want to live outside God's word and practice homosexuality, then that is up to them.

    I also prefer America to 'Merica. lol

    The rest of what you say is nonsense.

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  • lol

    I love this place.

    Only on tRCMB can a thread about the Jersey Shore turn into a debate on gay marriage.

  • Professor Booty said... (original post)

    I love this place.

    Only on tRCMB can a thread about the Jersey Shore turn into a debate on gay marriage.

    ...with Opti as a know-it-all on both.

    This post was edited by MalibuMan 23 months ago

  • Orangebloods confirm?

    The RCMB...is one of the most awful, alarming, inappropriate, disgusting, and offensive msg boards in the history of the internet.

  • Optiking said... (original post)

    Certainly, you have a right to your opinion, but i did NOT hijack the thread, I was called a bigot FIRST before i replied because this issue as already been discussed ad nauseum on Wells.

    There seems to be a failure on your part to read the posts in the correct order.

    Like i have stated, my only concern is trying to sanctify same sex marriage before God.

    If people want to live outside God's word and practice homosexuality, then that is up to them.

    I also prefer America to 'Merica.

    The rest of what you say is nonsense.

    Please do the rest of us Christians a favor and shut the hell up. Do not speak for all of us. Most Christians are not stuck in the stone age like you and do not believe what you believe. In fact there are even christian churches now that have openely gay pastors so please shut up.

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  • DMBSparty said... (original post)

    Please do the rest of us Christians a favor and shut the hell up. Do not speak for all of us. Most Christians are not stuck in the stone age like you and do not believe what you believe. In fact there are even christian churches now that have openely gay pastors so please shut up.

    No, most Christians are stuck in the bible and do not make up their own rules and laws about what God thinks is right. lol

    Back at you as well, I do not anyone WEAK speaking for me, and you are weak.

    Openly gay pastors are against God laws, that is FACT.

    By the way, I am sure you will one of the few that say there is nothing against homosexuality in the bible? Check the Wells thread on the subject.
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    Romans1:18-31(NLT)
    "But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who push the truth away from themselves. For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in their hearts. From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God. Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The result was that their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes. So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving."

    We see that Paul says, "So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired." And then tells what it is that is "shameful", "Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved." The is Homosexuality!

    Do we need to read further?

    Paul tells Timothy in 2Tim 3:1-9(KJV), "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

    Homosexuality is a sin! It is a sexual sin, "a detestable sin"! At least that is what the OT says!

    Lev. 18:22-30(NLT), ""Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin. "A man must never defile himself by having sexual intercourse with an animal, and a woman must never present herself to a male animal in order to have intercourse with it; this is a terrible perversion. "Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the people I am expelling from the Promised Land have defiled themselves. As a result, the entire land has become defiled. That is why I am punishing the people who live there, and the land will soon vomit them out. You must strictly obey all of my laws and regulations, and you must not do any of these detestable things. This applies both to you who are Israelites by birth and to the foreigners living among you. "All these detestable activities are practiced by the people of the land where I am taking you, and the land has become defiled. Do not give the land a reason to vomit you out for defiling it, as it will vomit out the people who live there now. Whoever does any of these detestable things will be cut off from the community of Israel. So be careful to obey my laws, and do not practice any of these detestable activities. Do not defile yourselves by doing any of them, for I, the LORD, am your God.""

    Lev. 20:13(NLT), "The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties. They have committed a detestable act and are guilty of a capital offense."

    Am I preaching hate toward Homosexuals? No, not at all. Homosexuality is a sin, a sin that can be forgiven. Christ paid that death penity for us! God doesn't hate sinner's, he hates sin! If God hated sinner's as some have said about homosexuals, then God would hate all of us, as we are all sinner's saved by Grace. And that Grace is offered to all! We are to show love as God loves us all!

    1 Cor. 5: 9:13,
    "When I wrote to you before, I told you not to associate with people who indulge in sexual sin. But I wasn't talking about unbelievers who indulge in sexual sin, or who are greedy or are swindlers or idol worshipers. You would have to leave this world to avoid people like that. What I meant was that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a Christian yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or a drunkard, or a swindler. Don't even eat with such people. It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your job to judge those inside the church who are sinning in these ways. God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, "You must remove the evil person from among you."

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  • opti, paul is just one man who spread the religion. he was a human with his own beliefs and he spread them. the fact that some people take what he says as the "word of the lord" is really troubling for me

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  • Zeno

    Catholic school for 13 years here. Taught by Jesuit priests. They don't care if you're gay.

    Also Opti, if you're quoting the Bible as rules to follow, pay a little more attention to Leviticus. The entire book is the additional 620 laws you must obey to solidify your belief in God. So, if you're married, I hope you are killing 1 dove or 2 pigeons every month when your wife has her period, because that's in there. Otherwise, you're not a real Christian. Unless of course you mean to take the Bible figuratively instead of literally. In which case the general message is to simply love your fellow man and be good to one another and has no bearing on who can and cannot get married. So it's your choice, literal or figurative. And if you choose literal, stock up on some birds because you can't pick and choose which parts to follow.

    /Wells.

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  • Great thread.

    The Situation will read again.

  • Zeno said... (original post)

    Catholic school for 13 years here. Taught by Jesuit priests. They don't care if you're gay.

    Also Opti, if you're quoting the Bible as rules to follow, pay a little more attention to Leviticus. The entire book is the additional 620 laws you must obey to solidify your belief in God. So, if you're married, I hope you are killing 1 dove or 2 pigeons every month when your wife has her period, because that's in there. Otherwise, you're not a real Christian. Unless of course you mean to take the Bible figuratively instead of literally. In which case the general message is to simply love your fellow man and be good to one another and has no bearing on who can and cannot get married. So it's your choice, literal or figurative. And if you choose literal, stock up on some birds because you can't pick and choose which parts to follow.

    /Wells.


    Again that is incorrect, that's why Jesus transitioned those laws form the New Testament from the Old Testament.

    To just read the Old Testament without reading the New Testament would be incorrect. Jesus simplified the laws for all intents and purposes.

    No wonder Catholics have so many issues and Bill Maher hates religion.

    In fact, Jesus clearly said it is impossible to follow the laws in the Old Testament as they are written.

    If you are still stuck in the stone ages after 13-years, you didn't pay attention very well.

    http://www.gotquestions.org/not-under-the-law.html

    There was a transition to the New Testament because he dies on Cross...

    Question: "What does it mean that Christians are not under the law?"

    Answer: An exposition of Romans 10:4, which says: "Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes," will help in understanding what is means that Christians are not under the law. The apostle Paul clarifies the effects of original sin in Romans 2:12, stating "All who sin apart from the law will perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law." All men stand condemned before God, whether they are Jews or not, or to put it another way, whether they have the Law of God or not. Paul also states "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).

    If we are without Christ, we are justly condemned in God’s sight by the Law that was given to His servant Moses. However, we might argue that those who are not Jewish and therefore do not benefit from the knowledge of the Mosaic Law (including the moral and ceremonial laws), should not be condemned in the same way. This is dealt with by the Apostle in Romans 2:14-15, where he states that the Gentiles have the essence of God’s legal requirements already ingrained and so are just as much without excuse.

    The Law is the issue that has to be dealt with in order to bring us into a right relationship with God. "Know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified" (Galatians 2:16). This passage reveals that the Law cannot justify or make righteous any man in God’s sight, which is why God sent His Son to completely fulfil the requirements of the Law for all those who would ever believe in Him.

    Christ Jesus redeemed us from the curse that has been brought through the law by becoming a curse for us (Galatians 3:13). He substituted Himself in our place and upon the cross took the punishment that is justly ours so that we are no longer under the curse of the Law. In doing so, He fulfilled and upheld the requirements of the Law. This does not mean that Christians are to be lawless, as some advocate today—a teaching called antinomianism. Rather, it means that we are free from the Mosaic Law and instead under the law of Christ, which is to love God with all of our being and to love our neighbors as we love ourselves.

    Christ became the end of the Law by virtue of what He did on earth through His sinless life and His sacrifice on the cross. So, the Law no longer has any bearing over us because its demands have been fully met in the Lord Jesus Christ. Faith in Christ who satisfied the righteous demands of the Law restores us into a pleasing relationship with God and keeps us there. No longer under the penalty of the Law, we now live under the law of grace in the love of God."

    ---------There killing a pigeon before Christ's time, and homosexuality now are two different things. You have to look at what Jesus said applies now.

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    Optiking said... (original post)

    Again that is incorrect, that's why Jesus transitioned those laws form the New Testament from the Old Testament.

    To just read the Old Testament without reading the New Testament would be incorrect. Jesus simplified the laws for all intents and purposes.

    No wonder Catholics have so many issues and Bill Maher hates religion.

    In fact, Jesus clearly said it is impossible to follow the laws in the Old Testament as they are written.

    If you are still stuck in the stone ages after 13-years, you didn't pay attention very well.

    Your logic is terrible. You used Leviticus verses to justify your point then said that the following of Leviticus law would be invalid. Also, please, show me where Jesus talks about simplified laws and where he "said it is impossible to follow the laws in the Old Testament as they are written". You do realize the Ten Commandments are in the Old Testament, right? How do you simply or just not follow "Thou shalt not kill"?

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  • Zeno said... (original post)

    Your logic is terrible. You used Leviticus verses to justify your point then said that the following of Leviticus law would be invalid. Also, please, show me where Jesus talks about simplified laws and where he "said it is impossible to follow the laws in the Old Testament as they are written". You do realize the Ten Commandments are in the Old Testament, right? How do you simply or just not follow "Thou shalt not kill"?

    My logic is solid....

    Jesus came to fulfill the law, he never said not to fulfill those laws. However the bible says it is impossible to follow some of those old laws, so a new path was created.

    Jesus then talked about what was important based on his sermons. The Ten Commandments are just as relevant today.

    The bible, especially the New Testament, is explicitly against homosexuality.

    However let me throw it back at you, since you can't sacrifice a pigeon, should we go ahead and kill and get involved in homosexuality?

    Can you also show me in the New Testament where homosexuality is okay? I have my eraser ready just in case. lol

    That's why Jesus died on the Cross, as an atonement for old sins and laws we could not keep. That doesn't mean things we should do were not important to him.

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  • It's also a little un-Christian like to take thinly veiled shots at Catholics.

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  • so kevin, what did you think of the indy 500 today?

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  • NigelUno said... (original post)

    It's also a little un-Christian like to take thinly veiled shots at Catholics.

    I think Bill Maher and other Catholics have been cloaked in laws they cannot fulfill so they feel frustrated and attack.

    I know one Catholic girl who refuses to go to a church and lives a pretty wild life because the church won't forgive her for an abortion she had. That would make it a cult in that case.

    But I am not here to condemn anyone's religion.

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    Optiking said... (original post)

    But I am not here to condemn anyone's religion.

    Just homosexuals. Face it Opti, your defending your bigotry by citing literary works written over 3,000 years ago that have been subjected to multiple translations and revisions. That is a fact. Whether or not the words are truly divine is rather irrelevant because they have been exposed to such human error. Unless you can read Aramaic, there a very good chance you're not even reading the original words.

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