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Uh...why wasn't the response "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out?"
Madison s academic profile.He did not identify that school.
See ya Ped U! Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!
article doesn't really say they threatened to leave.
“That northeast corridor, all the way to the south, continues to grow…Jim felt that someday, if we didn’t have anyone else in that corridor, someday it wouldn’t make sense maybe for Penn State to be in our league.
“That they would go into a league somewhere on the east coast. By doing that, it keeps us in the northeast corridor.”
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No, it doesn't, but I think it's easy to read between the lines, no? Delaney didn't just dream up the notion of them leaving if the B10 didn't expand in their direction.
Get the title right fletch.
Exactly. There is only one place any B10 school would prefer to go over staying put, and I don't think they fit into the SEC's current footprint.
I'm like a tabloid poster - the more sensational the better. It sucked you in, didn't it?
I'm not seeing that, either. I read it more as Penn State not having much value to the conference and - if not necessarily asked to leave - gently encouraged to feel free to shop around if they wanted to. They came in to the Big Ten long before thinking around BTN and tv markets factored into the equation. By those standards, they're still irrelevant (as is Nebraska). And make no mistake, this is about media markets
Going by Alvarez's comments, it seems that they needed to expand into larger markets or jettison the schools in smaller markets (and outside the traditional footprint).
The issue was the ACC adding PITT, Cuse, and then ND for all the other sports.
PSU was basically surrounded by ACC schools (and Big East). If the ACC improved (FSU/Miami, etc) and ND decided to join in full at some point (unlikely), PSU would have likely jumped from the B1G to the ACC, at some point.
The ACC was not already raided until we added Maryland. Say we didn't add the Terps. PSU to ACC with ND, and all of a sudden the ACC is a more viable conference and the B1G scrambles.
You think the B1G asked PSU to shop around? PSU doesn't add value to the conference? PSU doesn't deliver media markets? please tell me I am misunderstood, here. Insanity!
This post was edited by Black Dutch 19 months ago
I didn't say any of those things.
When a comment is made about the traditional Big Ten footprint being in an area where population is declining and therefore a need to find ways to remain solvent in those geographic areas, to me the implication is that other markets needed to be explored. Those markets happen to be east and south, with Penn State remaining in the heart of the footprint.
If, for example, population was growing in Iowa or Missouri, you may have seen a stronger push to bring in Iowa State or Mizzou (before they went to the SEC). In that hypothetical model, Penn State would be more of an outlier than when they joined the conference in the first place.
The main point is that I don't believe Penn State threatened to leave. I think that in a different population/tvmarket model they could be seen as expendable.
The PAC 12 isn't even close.
I would have been fine with Penn Rape leaving.
The Midwest is losing population?
Did you read the article? I'm only trying to interpret Alvarez's comments. He references the population shift to the east coast and yes, away from the rust belt.
Exactly. The ACC could have easily tried to shore up itself by wooing Penn State away, leaving the B1G scrambling for another member. Could have been easy too since, IIRC, PSU isn't entitled to bowl revenue for the next four years per the B1G rules. ACC could have said, "come on over, we'll cut you in." If ND is added, that deal then looks pretty good. Delaney fired the first shot and did a preemptive strike preventing such a thing from occurring
"People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." - Mark Dantonio.
This article is a POS. First of all nowhere does he say Penn State would really be considering leaving. Also it's just one quote after another and they don't flow together so you can tell it was taken out of context...actually the entire article is out of context.
The other school was probably ND....
If the ACC enticed ND, PSU, WVU to join, and FSU, Miami, VT, and UNC stayed put, they'd have a legit conference that could compete with the B1G athletically, and possibly academically, as well. VT, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Virginia, and Maryland are all good schools (didn't include ND and PSU bc of the rapeyness).
Probably more of a brain drain...
Maybe if we whine long and hard enough, delaney will add McGill University and give us a protected rivalry.
Seriously, isn't alvarez getting enough attention these days? Does he really need to run his mouth on this?
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The Midwest more than holds their own with college educated populations. The most educated cities list is littered with 'rustbelt cities'. In fact, much of the population decline of the Midwest can be attributed to the growing Hispanic populations many of the fastest growing cities. I think the much-hyped decline of the Midwest is highly overblown.
I've been thinking along the lines written in that post for a while. I like FSU in the b1g over any other ACC school at the moment. The money would be great, the competition wouldn't diminish. Academically i feel like they can improve as i have read they have ambitions to do so. And they are a big school with history. It would be pretty far away though and i'd be afraid of the SEC poaching them at some point in the future.
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