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I consulted tSF and found nothing, and I realize this is probably old(ish) news to those of you still in MI, but being on the west coast, this is the first I've seen of this.
Shocking.....not. Simply baffling how idiotic the city council members are. The State government has taken the deal to take over Belle Isle off the table after the city stalled, saying it needed more information. This deal has been on the table, officially or otherwise, since the fall. How do they need more information?
Cockrel's comments are simply stupid. If you have two issues, let's call them A and B, and both issues have been on the table for a while, issue A is more important but issue B is more prominent, wouldn't you willingly hand off issue B to a larger, more financially stable entity until you can effectively manage both issues?
Simply moronic. I love Detroit but absolutely hate the people who run it. Band of Bumbling Bafoons.
The states office Tuesday afternoon saying the deal was off.
This post was edited by dubie7006 18 months ago
Massa Snyder don't du the D.
There are no words to describe how stupid this is. I absolutely love the city, but things like this just completely make those that are working hard to bring this city back question why they even bother. This sense of us vs. them is just so stupid. Extremely frustrating day for those that are practical and love this town.
In happier news...the David Whitney Building is scheduled to start it's long-awaited rehab in the next couple weeks...
Goddammit, Detroit. Get your shit together.
ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIER MARCHING US TO WAR!
"As far as the downvotes. It's a gnat biting an lion"
-- A member of tRCMB Justice League, taking the internet WAY WAY too seriously.
Council isn't alone as idiots, the residents are just as stupid.
They bitch about lack of services, yet don't support deals to bring in more revenue.
These morons think they own the City and they will be damned a white person own any of it. Sorry, they are more racist than those they throw that charge at all the time.
This post was edited by Ron Jeremy 18 months ago
Braylon Edwards is singing in the rain after these events unfolded
This is why you can't have nice things.
it is time for Illitch, Penske, Gilbert and Ford to tell the city to get fucked. Those 4 do everything in their power to try and help the city and all the residents do is bitch and call everyone Racist. Pretty soon it is going to start hurting their business ventures when people stop going into the city because it is a crap hole. At this point I really wish Ford and Illitch didn't build stadiums downtown. If they were in the burbs I would have no reason ever to go into the city.
And it sucks, as a kid we used to go to Belle Isle all the time, and it was awesome, the last time I was there was for a wedding at the Yacht Club, which is awesome, however getting around the Island to the club was depressing.
I am done with that city, it can wither away to nothing and i wouldn't care. Let it rot.
This post was edited by DMBSparty 18 months ago
I'm with you.
I spent many a day in Detroit as a kid, downtown for the Ethnic Festivals, fireworks, on Belle Isle, my Dad and I went into the D a lot, did things like took the train from Royal Oak downtown. If you have ever seen the view from one of the balconies atop the Penobscot Building, it is spectacular, or was.
These residents and their corrupt leadership starting with Coleman Young ruined a once vibrant City, a city that took centuries to build, in less than 40 years.
The white flight from Detroit started after the 1967 riots and before Young took office, but accelerated under Young's leadership and those who followed.
A population that tolerantly elects corrupt leadership and a bunch of buffoons deserves no pity. Problem is we will all suffer for it, and they will portray everyone outside of Detroit as the reason it failed. Yet they reject any help those outside Detroit offer.
Next time I see a news story the cops or EMS took too long to respond, they brought it upon themselves.
Don't know why anyone would expect any different with that traveling freak show City Clowncil running the shots. That group of bozos would be more effective if we gave them a Mad Libs and told them to go to town for a couple hours. I live in West Michigan, but when I lived in Ohio, it kinda got old listening to Detroit jokes whenever I told someone I was from Michigan.
Bring back Kwame. He would have sold it for only a 25% personal profit margin.
Move the Redwings, Lions, and Tigers to Novi!
Oh I've known it's ass-backward for a while, just blindly supported due to the sports teams (mostly my former employer). This shit is just incredible. I think I will not be returning for a while. Lost for words...
And yes, I agree that it is not simply the council. The residents are just as stupid for voting in these morons. Until residents stop voting on name association and start voting on actual political issues, the city is going nowhere. The State takeover was a perfect opportunity to take something off the city's hands, and the city said no. Stupid.
The Hedgehog had it partially right in his first post. It's not that the leadership is fucked, per se, it's also that the leadership is a microcosm of their constituency as a whole. Whether they believe in their votes or are simply reflecting the will of the people is somewhat irrelevant. What is relevant is that it seems the majority of the folks who still live in the City would rather see it continue to crumble than accept help from the white devils in Lansing and/or North of 8 mile. This is a mindset that Coleman A instilled in many of them and unfortunately has been passed on to many of their children and grandchildren.
It's sad really. People in the suburbs my age and younger would just as soon tell L Brooks to get f**cked as abandon the city as we love it and really want nothing more than for it to prosper, but old habits die hard, and years and years of being looked down upon, battling with the surrounding communities, and listening to the gospel that crooks like Young and Kilpatrick preached has led many of these people to believe that they would rather die on that island than work together with outsiders who simply CAN'T be trusted to make things better.
It's so sad, and aggravating.
Knibb High football rules
The Council and residents went full fucking retard on this one. Yeah, the state wants to help us make the city's biggest jewel much, much better, yet we tell them to get fucked. Yeah, Belle Isle is wayyyyyy better with overgrown grass and zero bathrooms. Not to mention half the island shut down.
The state is so horrible. They want to charge ELEVEN WHOLE DOLLARS PER YEAR to get onto the island and vastly improve it.
But I can't say I'm surprised by this, unfortunately.
"I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna sit down with my friends and family and hell, I might even get on top of my wife tonight. See y'all later!"
To listen to the Clowncil members talk, those 4 are the biggest racists of them all - hell, Mike Illitch may as well be Grand Wizard in JoAnn Watson's eyes! They like to talk about all the "rich white people" that are moving their jobs downtown, but ignoring the poor people.
Does anyone remember a few years ago when Jay Leno announced that he wanted to have a free show at the Palace for all the auto workers who had been laid off? All the council did was bitch about how Jay was ignoring the people of Detroit by having his event in the suburbs.
I've been rooting for Detroit for a hell of a long time now, but it's getting really hard to keep wishing them well and donating to Detroit area charities when the clowncil maintains the racist "us vs. them, screw you whitey" attitude.
They are moaning about the state "taking away" Belle Isle...imagine they are going to be really pissed off when a bankruptcy judge auctions it off to the highest bidder.
Made deals every day...too bad none of them served Detroit. Makes Coleman look like a saint
Detroit is not alone in this, the city of Lansing is following their lead.
I crunched the numbers to do my best to compare apples to apples and for a family making $75,000 a year in a home with an SEV of $50,000 a family would pay:
$280 a month to live in the city of Lansing.
$240 a month to live in East Lansing.
around $200 a month in Holt, Grand Ledge, Mason, etc.
Also keep in mind that Lansing charges a 1/2% income tax on everyone that works in the city that lives in Holt, Grand Ledge, East Lansing, etc.
The city is taxing itself out of existence.
The crutches business must be the one booming industry in that city with as many times as the people there shoot themselves in the foot.
Maybe state and federal leaders should start using reverse psychology on these morans, since their MO seems to be turning down any attempt by The Man to help the city.
"The last thing the State wants to do is enter into a deal to take Belle Isle off of your hands."
"Oh no you didn't!!! We'll show you!! Gimme that lease!!!"
A million times this. The idiot citizens of Detroit have no idea what they're in for when they're dealing with a federal bankruptcy judge.
This post was edited by Jim Shorts 18 months ago
Well said, and I hit on some of this in my second post in this thread.
I'm done caring about what happens down there. And I agree it is sad.
Do you know where you find sympathy in dictionary? Between shit and syphilis.
I have no sympathy for those idiots.
The Detroit News article on this. Pure lunacy.
Belle Isle plan a 'slap in the face,' foes tell panel
By Darren A. Nichols and Christine Ferretti
Detroit — The City Council is poised to vote on a proposed lease to turn Belle Isle into a state park on Tuesday, but angst remains over the deal.
Dozens of city residents told council members Thursday they oppose the plan, unleashing a barrage of passionate protest over what they consider a state takeover of a Detroit jewel.
"Respect me, like I respect you," said Leontine Person, a 76-year resident who was nearly removed from the meeting room. "We don't have any place to go, and you are going to take the last thing we've got and take it away from us. Not this city. Not anymore. We've taken enough from you fools."
Added resident Kimberly Hughes: "It is a slap in the face of the city to even try to take something or disassemble something that is known for Detroit, known for the people here."
A three-member committee of the council sent the measure to the full council and recommended it be denied. The advice doesn't have to be accepted by their colleagues, but it signifies the intensity of opposition by council members Kwame Kenyatta and JoAnn Watson.
The two vocal opponents of state involvement in Belle Isle make up a majority of the Neighborhood and Community Services Committee. The other is council member James Tate.
Kenyatta spoke for nearly 10 minutes, pleading to his colleagues to reject the proposal. "You're going to break the spirit of the people" by approving a proposal for their "backyard," he said.
He added other proposals for the island, including one for an amusement park and a water park, haven't been thoroughly vetted to see if they are financially feasible.
"It's unjust and unfair to consider only one proposal and that is the proposal submitted by the state," Kenyatta said. "… I suggest to you we don't do this thing … that we have some pride about ourselves and about our people and our community. We don't work for (the state). We work for the people who put us here — the children and the elders."
Under the proposal, the state would lease Belle Isle for a decade at a time, and the city or the state could decline to renew each 10-year lease.
The city would still own the park, but the Michigan Department of Natural Resources would operate it and sell $11 annual vehicle passes. It would be free from about $6.2 million in annual operating costs.
Watson said Belle Isle shouldn't be up for discussion, particularly when the state owes Detroit millions in unpaid revenue-sharing dollars.
"Some of you are from Detroit," Watson said. "What color is the sun in your world that you would even consider thinking (about Belle Isle)? It's not a lease…it's a giveaway."
Residents will get a final say on the issue during a public hearing set for 2 p.m. Monday.
Bing and Gov. Rick Snyder announced the tentative deal last fall. The current contract includes language that incorporates traditional Belle Isle uses such as family reunions into the operation of the park, changes the makeup of an advisory committee and acknowledges the recommendations of the city's 2005 Belle Isle master plan.
The deal also calls for a plan to hire Detroiters.
Michele Hodges, president of the Belle Isle Conservancy, suggested the lease could be looked at as an "opportunity to get through crisis."
"We can work hard in the coming years to put together an island to sustain itself," she said. "Then maybe, just maybe, we won't need to renew the lease."
Council President Charles Pugh, who said earlier this week the deal is still not perfect, said Thursday he's not sure how he will vote on the issue.
"I could go either way. I'm right on the fence," Pugh said.
"Although this is a good plan … it's light on the revenue side. I would like to see a plan that generates more revenue for the city. It's a decent proposal, but I really do want to know what's out there."
Another funny thing is when they ran Archer out of town. The man who brought the Super Bowl (along with Penske) and the All Star game. Yeah Kwame took the credit but Archer was the man. But he wasn't black enough.
i think I have told this story before but one summer during college I ran an inner city fishing program in Detroit for the DNR. I was at the Pocket Park at the State Fairgrounds and I look over and Archer is standing there. He walks over and shakes my hand and introduces himself. He had one driver/bodyguard, unlike Kwame and his 8 that he would have with him.
It just pissed me off, it seemed like it was going to turn around for a couple years, but now it is back to the Coleman Young Era. I get tired of the Detroit jokes as I grew up in Metro Detroit, but I cannot defend it anymore.
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