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There is an article in the Free Press today that does a pretty good job describing the situation:
For the governor, I think this was like watching someone clutch a horse apple, insist it's really a diamond and claim your offer to help clean it up is an overture to pillage.
Now, he's just saying: "Keep it. I'll move on."
Nancy Kaffer: Well, here it is. After months of debate, a deal to lease Belle Isle to the State of Michigan is dead. This, despite a poll last year showing that 66% of Detroit residents favored the lease deal, and a growing sentiment among Detroiters that proper management and results are more important than who's in charge or getting it done.
What's the population of living people in Detroit these days? Is it still above 500k?
At last check it was ~800k - probably closer to +700k by now.
Wonder how low it will go. I'm surprised that there are still 700k people living in that vast nuclear wasteland. They can't all be living in that 3 block radius of midtown.
You are right and the council will lose all of it's perks and the members would have to actually work for a living. Heaven forbid anyone besides Bing and Snyder do what's right for the city of Detroit, it's businesses and residents.
What a joke of a city. Why anyone would continue to care about it is beyond me.
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Hard to say. There has been a slight increase in population in recent years as businesses have started offering employees incentives to move to Detroit. However, there are few incentives I can think of that would keep many of the employees around in a city that continues to cut basic services left and right. I was downtown this summer for a concert at Comerica - afterwards, I was extremely concerned that there were absolutely NO POLICE officers ANYWHERE NEAR the park. A high profile event, after dark, in Detroit...seems like there should be some sort of police presence. I really don't blame the Detroit P.D. for this - they have to allocate their manpower as best they can in a dangerous city, while facing cuts to their budget.
The problem with Detroit is that they are doubling down on bad, corrupt practices, which causes their citizens to suffer. There are no shortage of people wanting to help (with Gov. Snyder joining the ranks), but it's hard to keep writing a check to Detroit charities when you are constantly hearing freakshows like Joann Watson screaming "we don't want your racist white money!" Sad thing is, most of the knuckle-walkers that live in Detroit eat crap like that up.
Because whether we want to admit it or not, Detroit is the biggest city in Michigan - with many, many more living in the cities surrounding the city. The Detroit area is also home to our largest companies. For better or for worse, Detroit is the face of Michigan for people who don't live here. If Michigan is ever going to shake its reputation for being a stink hole, Detroit needs to start bouncing back.
It's not being reported and why I don't know, but I heard Councilman Tate on the radio yesterday saying that after the initial proposal wasn't detaliled enough he and Charles Pugh met with Bing and the reps from the State on this to hammer out a compromise. How the fuck does Pugh then turn around and say we should kick this out two weeks because we don't have enough info, when he was a partner in negotiating the deal? Further, Tate says that all along the way, council members were kept informed and asked for their input, he said he didn't receive a single response. These people are morons. This is a place that can't move in 20 years to address the train depot, and it took 8 years for them to nock down Tiger Stadium-if the Yankees can nock down Yankee stadium within a year, there is no reason it shouldn't have happened in Detroit. No reason, other than someone's relative has a contract to turn on the sprinklers, turn on the lights, do security or some such. Wash, rinse, repeat. I wouldn't be surprised if someone has their hand in making money off the porta-john contract for Belle Isle.
What was Tate's attitude during the interview. Did he seem upset and question why Pugh couldn't come to his senses? Was he upset that council didn't ask a single question? I didn't hear it and it's hard to figure out what his attitude was from what you've written. I'm not knocking you or anything, I just don't know what you've added in terms of the anger and what Tate expressed. I'm really interested in knowing. Thanks for providing the info above.
I love the Snyder basically said "if you don't want my help then go fuck yourselves" and isn't allowing the city to sit there with their thumb up there ass and keep this money away from other state funded projects. The city of Detroit is a shithole and is doing absolutely nothing to try to turn that image around. Let it rot. Good riddance as far as I'm concerned. State help is needed all across Michigan and the money that was going to be used is much better served going elsewhere in the state to help people that actually give a shit.
Detroit resident here, and I'll dispel some of the myths being perpetuated in this thread.
First, it's important to understand that the City Council does not represent the view of the majority of Detroiters. Case in point, over 66% of Detroiters approved of a lease deal in some capacity just last year, even before it was recently made more favorable to the city (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121010/METRO01/210100358). Given the changes made to the deal since then (for example, from a 30 year term to a 10 year term), one could assume that more Detroiters now favor the deal than don't.
So why is there this disconnect between what your typical Detroiter wants and how the votes are turning out in City Council's chambers? Fundamentally, it lies in the fact that each of the council members were elected at-large, rather than by district. This is relevant for a few reasons:
1. The two lowest vote-getters that made the Council last election were Kenyatta and Watson, who also happen to be the most absurd members of Council. For reference, I believe they each got ~50k votes while Pugh/Brown got almost ~90k votes.
2. Under an at-large system, they each make the Council. However, if they had to run by district, they would have lost to any number of folks.
3. This years City Council election will have 7 districts, with 2 at-large seats, thereby filling the 9 seats.
4. Simply put, if 30% of Detroiters are of they type that would vote Kenyatta and Watson in, then they lose 70%-30% when they actually have to run against someone.
5. Additionally, in a wholly at-large election, your opponents generally will not attack you. Why run attack ads/speak out against those two when you'll likely get your seat anyway, and they're just two of dozens of challengers. Kenyatta/Watson types are particularly vulnerable to attack, for obvious reasons.
And so on. Admittedly, districting is not a panacea, but it has already had an effect, as these charlatans realize that the writing is on the wall for their brand of politics. It's no surprise that Kenyatta has already indicated that he will not be running for re-election later this year. I also recall reading that Watson will likely bow out as well.
The end is near, and the imminent passage of the RTA Bill, the strong likelihood of EFM/EM/Bankruptcy, and the switch to council by district were three of the key factors that caused me to relocate from [NY/Chi] to Detroit.
This post was edited by KingKwame 18 months ago
I'm CONVINCED that the council has their hand in someone's wallet on this one. The fact that the vocal minority was more than willing to make this a big, racist circus just fueled their fire.
I don't believe that Michigan as a whole enjoys such a reputation? As for Detroit "bouncing back", the last time I checked, deflated balls don't bounce.
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Awesome post! I had no idea that Watson and Kenyetta were elected at-large. I ultimately have no problem with someone disagreeing with the proposal, but the manner in which the disagreement was voiced makes the whole situation infuriating. I've been giving serious thought to relocating to the Detroit area (possibly even the city itself), but the racial driven politics that prevails with the vocal minority has me feeling sour. I know that a lot of Governor Snyder's policies are extremely unpopular, but it was a shot of fresh air when he started turning his attention to Detroit. Citizens like you deserve a city that is focused on moving in the right direction, and dedicated to offering the services that are needed to keep you safe. I think that council members like Gary Brown are good for the city, but they will always be over shadowed by the freak shows.
Michigan DOES enjoy such a reputation. I used to live in Ohio (and worked with several people from the east coast) and always heard jabs about Michigan being an economic hell hole (keep in mind, this was before the state economy started bouncing back), but most of the jokes were about Detroit. Now granted, the reputation exists mostly among people who have 1.) never set foot in the state of Michigan, or 2.) have only ever been to Detroit, but it is real.
Thanks for info.
Thanks. I think people on both sides, like those posting in this thread bashing Detroit *and* those that go on ridiculous rants at Council meetings, are shortsighted and not seeing the forest for the trees.
That is, Belle Isle issue is but a distraction from the more fundamental, foundational, changes that are being made, and I hope that the city and state keep engaging in kabuki dance while the larger changes are taking place behind the scenes.
I would not be surprised if this issue is a strategic feint by the state and other influential folks in order to deflect attention from other things that are happening. Note that while Belle Isle and other relatively minor issues have gotten the front-page press, council-by-district was emplaced. Additionally, the entire time, while this particular park has gotten front-page attention, a state financial review team has been performing a review of Detroit's books, which is a precursor step toward the imposition of an EFM under the relevant statute. Further, Bing has met with state officials about how to hand over power, and how much power, once the manager comes on board. Simply put, the EFM process has been taking place under what amounts to the cover of darkness.
I would bet, were it on the books somewhere, that you'll see an EFM announcement within a few weeks or a month.
So while the absurdists were going buckwild over a "state takeover" via Belle Isle, the *real* state takeover process -- through an EFM -- has been progressing more-or-less under their noses. Brilliant, really, and funny in a schadenfreude sort of way.
If you ever do relocate or really seriously are considering it, PM me. The entrepreneurial and collaborative spirit in this city (leaving aside the big projects, even) is like nothing I've ever seen, including in NY and Chi. While I'm not one of those folks, there is a lot of cool stuff happening, enough so that I find myself saying "how effing cool!" almost every day.
I'm a Detroit resident and I can the anti suburban views express are not those of the majority of Detroiters, they're simply the loudest .This was cowardice plain and simple. This has council voted to regionalize Cobo, the Zoo,etc with no political damage and these same angry nuts screaming at them. They should have had the backbone for vote the lease instead they let the bullies win.
This post was edited by DetroitSparty 18 months ago
Not from anyone who has ever visited the state. Besides, people from the east coast have their heads up their ass and couldn't find the Pennsylvania border if they were standing on it. Detroit is another matter. It deserves the reputation it has earned..
Tate wanted an up or down vote, I think he is for it-he said that in the back and forth every side got something they wanted but every side gave up something it wanted. So, in the end, I think he supported it, but he simply thought adequate opportunity existed for members to say yes or no and move on one way or another. Again, it is stunning to me that Charles Pugh-who I think stands a good chance to be mayor-would be part of the bloc who said let's kick this a couple of weeks when he was part of the committee that negotiated the plan in the first place.
I'm not sold on Pugh - he seems sort of wishy-washy. I've really become impressed with Gary Brown, though. I enjoy reading the articles he posts on his twitter account. He seems to have a solid head on his shoulders and seems genuinely concerned with providing the citizens of Detroit the best possible city government. It's really unfortunate that the council has been hijacked by the freak shows who talk the loudest and the longest.
Just give us more money and stop asking so many damn questions.
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I hope that you and King Kwame (lol btw) are right about that. That is perhaps the most disheartening thing to me. It makes the situation seem completely hopeless.
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