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I said I think he has a good chance of becoming mayor, I never said I thought he'd be a good choice. He's just a typical pol at this point, I don't know if he puts off hard decisions because he doesn't want anything that can be used against him in a run for mayor or what, but as you said he is mush. For the life of me, I don't understand why people run for leadership positions then, when they get there, dont lead at all but rather mush around so they can get the next position or hold on to the one they have. What is the point of going into such a position if you aren't going to take action beyond self preservation when you get there? For crying out loud, go back to Fox2.
This post was edited by vator88 15 months ago
Oh weird there are consequences.
Mayor Dave Bing's devastating move this morning will mean Detroit, a city with 700,000 residents, will have only 57 of its 300-plus parks open starting this spring, and even then, many of the facilities will see reduced maintenance and groundskeeping schedules, including Belle Isle.
wish Bing would've come out stronger about this earlier to potentially save the Belle Isle deal
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Saw this piece in the Freep this morning. Interesting and also disgusting. I do wonder what percentage of the population feels this way, and if it really is such a vocal minority why the Council caters to them.
It's really hard to feel anything but anger for these folks but a part of me feels sorry for them that they feel they have been taken advantage of for so long and that they don't feel anything but hate for anyone who isn't black.
Please note that I am not taking the refrain that they shouldn't feel that way. I haven't walked in their shoes.
He walked into the room dressed to kill and seeking the spotlight. Morris Mays was wearing a black leather jacket, black shirt, black pants and black sunglasses. Even among a crowd that included a gentleman in a peach leisure suit and a man wearing farm-style overalls, Mays stood out at the Detroit City Council's meeting on Tuesday.
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Are you aware that Stephen Boyle, one of the three people referenced in the article, is a white guy? I think that a 30-year lease on Belle Isle as a state park would be a very positive thing, but painting this as a black racists vs. white saviors issue is disingenuous at best.
Pugh has publicly stated he is not only not running for mayor, but will not run for council again.
That Mays guy says its about race in the article.
This post was edited by ErnieMcCracken 14 months ago
A black island? I was there a few weeks ago and didn't see a single black person and most of the people weren't even from Detroit. They were visiting from the burbs obviously.
The people at that meeting didn't sound very business friendly.
The opinion of one guy who has literally no influence with City Council does not make this a race issue.
That one guy was one of many at that city council meeting. Black city, black island and talk of sellouts.
There was more than one person at that city council meeting? I'm shocked. There's a reason they only quoted one guy making the Belle Isle lease a race issue, and that's because only one guy made it a race issue.
So you were there?
What is your point? Does one have to be physically at a city council meeting in order to know what happened there? Or are you arguing race is not part of Detroit politics?
Not this particular issue within Detroit politics. And yes, you do have to be at the meeting in question if you're going to assert it was all about race. You have one quote from one attendee to back up your assertion. There were hundreds of people at that meeting.
This post was edited by fishrose 14 months ago
I was involved with a very contentious project a few months ago, so I have some insight into the council members. The best council members are Jenkins and Brown, hands down. They don't buy into the suburbs vs. downtown arguments, and seem to be the most pro-business.
Cockerel and Tate seem to be in the next tier. I think they have good heads on their shoulders, and make good decisions most of the time. I disagree with Cockerel on this issue for sure.
Pugh is a wild card. I sat in on a few council meetings when our project came up, and I was impressed with the way he handled the mob. My issue with him is that it seems he doesn't do his research on the issues in front of him. In the Belle Isle deal, he said he didn't have enough info when he was one of the ones putting the deal together. On our deal, he basically said the same thing, and he had every opportunity to find out the info he needed. He had even come out to our site a few days before the vote on our project, and could have learned anything he wanted, or got any question he wanted answered. As to the rest of them, they are worthless.
That is how all of the meetings go. That piece could not have done a better job describing what those meetings are like. There is no better way to describe the people that show up to those meetings than calling them professional protesters. There are approximately two dozen people who show up to every council meeting and protest during the public comments. It has gotten to the point where they are famous (or infamous) for what they do. There is a newspaper/website devoted to them called Voice of Detroit. If it wasn't so sad, and I didn't have so much pride for my adopted hometown of Detroit, it would be funny. It would be great entertainment. Instead, it is just distressing, because I know that these are the voices that the rest of the state and nation hear from Detroit. They think these people speak for us. They don't. They are just a sideshow that unfortunately has been given credence.
Did you read the article?
The guy who wrote the article attended the meeting and he quotes a number of those who spoke up. He states that nearly everyone who came to the meeting was against the deal. He states that only one person spoke up in favor of the deal and he was heckled with catcalls of "Sellout!". He quotes numerous other people who went on record and each of them are alluding to an "us" vs. "them" mentality, if not outright saying that. That is in addition to the numerous other reports we heard of those voices speaking out against the deal, referring to "Massah Snyder" and all.
I'm not trying to paint it as a race issue, but the articles and news outlets that reported on the meeting are certainly painting it that way. At minimum, the crowd was certainly painting at as a mob mentality, us vs. them, Detroit vs.the world mentality. Either that or Mr. Carlisle is outright lying about what took place there.
Whether it's race or "us vs. them" doesn't really matter to me personally. Sure, race is slightly more inflammatory. The divide that some of these folks feel for everyone who isn't "one of them" is greatly concerning and disheartening to me.
Again, if these folks' attitudes are representative of anything other than the vocal minority.
And there were multiple speakers who used the race card based on several news reports on each Detroit TV station. You must be forgetting what Malik Shabazz said or the old lady who made reference to "Massa Snyder".
It's ALL about race.
That's why the issue is being reported in that context by the News and Freep. Inflammatory sells papers and lands hits on their web page. The people racializing this issue are a very, very small fraction of people who are involved in the debate. Even fewer are seriously involved in the debate in any impactful way.
As I said earlier in the thread, I really, really hope you are right. I wish there were more indicators that this is the case.
Check it out on a Friday night in the summer instead...
MSUBeefman- I greatly appreciate your input in these discussions as an outsider who now considers Detroit home. I have been extremely vocal in my support of Detroit after living in downtown for four years. With politics like this it is getting more disheartening especially since I have to hear it while out of state for a year or two.
Fishrose- I also appreciate your comments and viewpoint. I was surprised we didn't hear from you earlier. Did you support the belle isle deal? I can't see a Downside to the deal but like I said I'm now an outsider looking in.
I would be in favor of the deal. I don't think it's truly off the table at this point, Snyder is just trying to play hardball. The issues most people have with the deal were more matters of principle. Understandable concerns, for the most part, but the downside would be minimal in practice.
The real sticking point in this issue with the public is the entry fee. Even though it isn't much, a lot of people in Detroit don't have much to spare, and they aren't thrilled with the idea of a free public resource becoming something you have to pay for. And although it wouldn't affect bus riders, cyclists, or pedestrians, driving to Belle Isle to park and hang out on a summer weekend night is a very big part of modern Detroit culture.
Politically, the issue had more to do with who the DNR would employ to maintain and run the park. The city council wanted to ensure that those jobs would be made available to Detroit residents, and the state of Michigan would not commit to that. This is really a pretty minor issue, as the park really only needs to employ 20-40 people on a full-time basis. The state could have easily backed down, and council could have done the same.
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