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Thanks for your comments. I grew up in Lenawee County, on a farm, which is as far away from Detroit as you can get. Growing up, I didn't even give one thought to Detroit, and when I did, it echoed many of the same thoughts that have been given in this thread.
I was given the opportunity to move to Detroit two years ago, without really knowing what I was getting into. I had only been to Detroit two or three times before in my life. I actually think that was the best way to go into it, because I didn't have any of the preconceived notions many people have about Detroit. I work closely with residents of the inner city, so I have a view of what they think is wrong with the city, and how they think it should be changed. Most of you would be shocked that their viewpoints match most of your viewpoints. The majority think the city council is corrupt.
Ultimately, what this comes down to is that people who have been beaten down and disadvantaged their whole lives see Detroit as theirs, and they don't want it taken away from them. To you and I, people with college degrees, or even high school graduates, this makes no sense. In a city with an illiteracy rate over 50%, you can't reason with people who don't understand economics. I see men sitting out of their porch nearly every day in the spring, summer, and fall who are three generations deep not having any job skills. How do you fix that? This city won't get fixed by Dan Gilbert buying up whole city blocks, and it won't get fixed by the state taking over Belle Isle. Those would be great, but small steps. This city won't turn around until we start helping the disadvantaged if this city get job skills and educations. Don't ask me how that's going to happen, that's just how I see it.
To me this is actually the most sane part of the argument but the one thing I have not heard. Granted I'm reading newspapers that need shocking headlines to sell.
I'm not going to quote it, but fishrose hit it on the head with the main sticking point being the entry charge. To most people, $11 isn't much, and there are those that point out once you pay the $11, it covers the rest of the state parks for the whole year. That us true. However, how many Detroit residents do you think frequent state parks throughout the year? That means nothing to them. A lit of this is symbolic to Detroiters. They feel they have had so much taken away from them for so long, they put their foot down, and say "no more". Once the emergency manager or bankruptcy judge comes in, it will all be moot. My only concern with that is that the more radical of the leaders will get everyone riled up, and there is another riot. That is a very distinct possibility.
It has been the main issue in the actual debate between the city council and Snyder.
I'm no where near the margin and once I pay my taxes and look at what i have left I want to riot I can only imagine. Although $11 for a yearly pass for one park and knowing it won't be a complete shit hole and be maintained at a good level seems appropriate.
yeah same here. Thanks Fishrose for clarifying. I've been following this story a bit and this is the first time I've heard those views.
I don't believe the state or Detroit will completely take the deal off the table. I'm sure eventually when Belle Isle has to be shut down again the council will finally give in. It could be a few months is could be a couple years. But there's no way they can support it.
Don't know where else to put this link but.....
DETROIT 2012 EAST VS. WEST CAR SHOW
If as many Detroit residents who say they go and spend time there a lot actually do go there, the one time fee spread out over the summer is peanuts. Even if you go there once a year, the " $11 out of pocket" in return for the $6.2 million that the city gets (to spend on other parks possibly in their own neighborhood) is a worthy investment.
The residents are too ignorant to see the benefits.
I read the news today, oh boy .. ..
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I live in Indian Village, which for those who don't know, is just down the street from the entrance to Belle Isle. In the summer, there is a line of traffic backed out on to Jefferson to get over the bridge. If the residents were forced to spend $11 to get in as a one time fee, I'm sure they could and would come up with it.
I've lived in detroit (midtown) for 6 years now. I use belle isle very frequently. I too was looking forward to this deal and I'm incensed that the council couldn't get this deal done. I keep having to remind myself, though, that it is only a matter of time. The sustainable neighborhoods will hopefully grow while the dying neighborhoods get re-purposed (for...something? I don't know what really).
As of right now it's just a vibe, a feeling that we have, but that feeling wasn't there 5-10 years ago. Detroit will rise again.
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A lot of the dying neighborhoods and abandoned land will turned into agricultural/landscaped land. After the Hantz Woodlands deal went through, there has been a lot of interest from others to do the same thing.
You make people uncomfortable in their poverty. If someone wants $24,000 or even $1000 in government assistance I want them to work and pay for half of it. Kids that see their parents sit on their ass learn from that example. I don't care if the state has to make up jobs where people have to watch paint dry to earn half of their entitlements, they have to work or else the cycle will never be broken.
Here's a good op-ed piece on the larger situation. I agree almost entirely with what dude is saying. I also believe the city will come back, it's just going to take a long azz time.
Detroit Mayor Dave Bing rolled out a plan last week - after the Detroit City Council failed to take action on an offer to turn Belle Isle into a state controlled/funded park s budget.
Honestly it's sad to see the city destroy themselves and continue to make awful decisions. Here's to hoping the state spends that money elsewhere.
More foundational, fundamental changes on the way.
Legacy costs are huuuuge for the city, as are operational inefficiencies. The consultants will do a good job taking care of the latter.
As for the former, if bondholders take a large enough haircut, the EM can take care of it. If not, onto BK.
Then we're in a lot better shape.
About the report from the financial review team, if anyone's still interested.
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