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I like that discretion was used in not assessing a tech at the end of the Osu-UM game for the contact to the face. I however have major issues that i have not seen discretion used at any other point this year with similar circumstances. They went to replay and clearly saw the contact to the face and chose to ignore it. How can they do that???
Its very fishy that two of the B1G golden children get different rules than the rest of us.
.... and yes I know, water is wet.
edit - fixed phone autocorrect typo, please remove sand from v
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Patlanta 17 months ago
I'm sure the home office will suspend Craft for a head slap that Deacon Jones would be proud of
I don't think you can say that the two teams got favorable treatment . Both received calls that could have screwed them out of the game. UM fans would certainly have a complaint if they went on to lose. That was by definition, a flagrant foul. Even considering the time in the game, Craft deserved the flagrant. On the other end, OSU fans definitely can complain about the last play. Craft had his arms raked as he attempted to tie the game, easy call. Discretion in this instance is just poor officiating. Neither team was given favorable treatment, the refs just decided they didn't want to finish the game.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by msuhockeycj 17 months ago
You should have used your best "disgression" and used spell check.
I am pretty sure it is a poor word choice as well.
What I found to be the most hilarious was the SportsCenter coverage that continually stated that there was no foul committed against Craft as time expired. Hey, if you think that a no-call is the right call, that is fine, I can buy that, but don't show me a slow-motion replay that clearly shows multiple fouls and tell me that it was totally clean. At least say something like, "there was some contact there but not enough to blow the whistle at the last second" or "it was a bang-bang play." Just something, I don't care what or even if it makes sense, but don't straight-up lie to protect whatever it is that you are protecting.
The grammar and spelling police are out today
"I didn't come here to be dragged into the graveyard. I came here to win, to win championships." - MD
I wouldn't ever expect ESPN to go after officials. Too far in bed with the product. Back to the play, I think the "you can't have the officials decide the game" mantra that the media has beaten for years has gotten in the heads of officials. Officials absolutely should make the calls in the last second if there is an advantage gained, which there certainly was on the last play. If officials aren't going to make that call, the defense should just hack whoever is shooting. No fear of consequence.
Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.
The idea of letting players decide the end of a game by encouraging refs to "swallow the whislte" I think ruins the game for the fans.
How is "swallowing the whistle" fair for the team behind in a game that goes down to the last play?
With that mindset you are allowing the team which is ahead to do everthing in its power to stop a team from scoring and a chance to win which often includes breaking the rules of the game.
To me by intentionally "swallowing the whistle" the refs are in fact determining the outcome of the game which nobody really wants.
I'm sorry but I would just rather have the entire game called in accordance with the specified rules to ensure fairness for both teams and fan bases.
What is the new rule for contact with the head? It is strictly for the elbows or does a open hand count?
I did think they were going to call the tech, but was glad they did not. He was not hit that hard and was in the process of going for the ball, if that was a foul then that opens a huge can of worms for driving players that get hit in the head regardless of if the ball is blocked or not.
I agree. A foul in the first few min should be a foul at the end. Unfortunately, game situation is always going to be a factor in how an official sees a play.
I agree. I was basically making fun of the fact that they go to ridiculous lengths. There isn't a need to completely lie, show us a replay that proves it is a lie, and then lie about it again. They have constructed so many other ways to brush it off, such as "letting the players decide the game" that in my opinion they should just continue to go with one of those euphemisms as opposed to proving how full of crap they are.
The hacks on Crafts final drives were different situations then the flagrant foul to the face. We've seen many games where the refs swallow the whistles on last second shots despite obvious fouls. I however have not seen an instance before where there is clearly contact to a players face since the new rule where they verify it but decide to not give a flagrant out.
This post was edited by Patlanta 17 months ago
Just out of curiosity, have you ever watched an NHL game where the score is a 1-goal deficit, and the team that is down is applying pressure late in the game? If so, do you notice how the rules/officiating tend to change toward the later moments of the game?
Meaning: a roughing penalty called in the earlier part of the game is not necessarily called in the waning moments as well. This happens very, very often.
Not saying it is right or wrong. Just saying it happens a lot in hockey. And fans are accepting of it. Different sports, different interpretations from fanbases and players, I guess.
The non call at the end last night was consistent with the way the game had been called throughout.
Burke was allowed to hip check all night with no calls. Both teams were blocking a bunch of shots and if the blocker got mostly ball they weren't calling shit.
I don't know if the refs are backing away from that being an automatic flagrant 1 or what, but they let GRIII's incidental punch to the face go in the Indiana game. According to some the GRIII punch was reviewed by the officials during the game and let go.
As was Craft's head slap
To Mac: Not that hard... Easy to say while watching at home/bar/work
I thought that new rule was only for elbows to the head.
Yeah, knees and fists to the head don't seem to count.
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