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Seriously...the SEAL that pulled the trigger...

  • SpartanNachos said... (original post)

    This

    Wait, why would he have the union jack on his uniform?

    This post was edited by Snake Plissken 2 years ago

  • LegendAndLeader

  • My guesses are:

    1. Mitch Rapp
    2. Jack Reacher
    3. Donovan Creed

  • Vegas Vic said... (original post)

    Apparently it was one of these guys.

    Looks about right...ran into to some special ops guys in Iraq. I had this idea that they were so badass they had to be almost superhuman. When they got to camp they looked like normal joes. Super laid back, nice guys...wasn't expecting them to be so mellow.

  • I think of a muscly bald guy with a cigar.

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  • Vegas Vic

    TheBlitzIsOn said... (original post)

    I think of a muscly bald guy with a cigar.

    This kind of "muscly"?

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    I read the news today, oh boy .. .. About a lucky man who made the grade

  • SWB

    Loose Stools said... (original post)

    Funny you should ask: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/who-shot-bin-laden-former-seals-fill-in-the-blanks/2011/05/02/AFgybxcF_story.html?hpid=z4

    He’s likely between the ages of 26 and 33, says Marcinko, founder of the elite “SEALs Team 6” — now known as
    DEVGRU — that many believe led the assault on bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. He’ll be old enough to have had time to hurdle the extra training tests required to join the elite counter-terrorism unit, yet young enough to withstand the body-punishing rigors of the job. The shooter’s a man, it’s safe to say, because there are no women in the SEALs. And there’s a good chance he’s white, though the SEALs have stepped up efforts to increase the number of minorities in their ranks, Marcinko and Smith say. A “positive thinker” who “gets in trouble when he’s not challenged,” Marcinko suspects, a man who “flunked vacation and flunked relaxing.”

    He was probably a high school or college athlete, Smith says, a physical specimen who combines strength, speed and agility. “They call themselves ‘tactical athletes,’ ” says Smith, who works with many prospective SEALs in his Heroes of Tomorrow training program in Severna Park. “It’s getting very scientific.”

    Marcinko puts it in more conventional terms: “He’ll be ripped,” says the author of the best-selling autobiography “ Rogue Warrior .” “He’s got a lot of upper-body strength. Long arms. Thin waist. Flat tummy.”

    Rogue Warrior was a good book. I read it when I was 14 or 15, really expanded my vocabulary. lol

    I read a few of his other books too, some were good some weren't, but the fact that Rogue Warrior is allegedly non-fiction makes it better.

  • The only question is...

    Was it Dutch, Blain, Mac, Hawkins, Billy, or Poncho?

  • One of the girls I was friends with in high school is married to a guy who was on the team that captured Saddam Hussein. I only know this because she used to live in the same town as me and I helped her boys with their sport stuff while he was away. When he came back, for about a year, he had some real tough emotional struggles. As someone mentioned earlier, he came back and felt a lot of remorse for the accolades he received from his commanders while many of his friends had either been killed, or were still fighting. I think he had a lot of nightmares about the entire thing. She never told me any of this, but broke down to my wife about the situation. Obviously, he's never said a word about it. Some therapy helped and he's back in service now. I think a lot of us picture these guys coming back, slamming free beers in every bar across America and bedding starlets every night. But these guys joined to be part of something bigger than them and that's how they perceive it. When they do get home, at least the family guys, look forward most to being with their families and close friends, not to be treated as heroes.

  • OldWolverito said... (original post)

    One of the girls I was friends with in high school is married to a guy who was on the team that captured Saddam Hussein. I only know this because she used to live in the same town as me and I helped her boys with their sport stuff while he was away. When he came back, for about a year, he had some real tough emotional struggles. As someone mentioned earlier, he came back and felt a lot of remorse for the accolades he received from his commanders while many of his friends had either been killed, or were still fighting. I think he had a lot of nightmares about the entire thing. She never told me any of this, but broke down to my wife about the situation. Obviously, he's never said a word about it. Some therapy helped and he's back in service now. I think a lot of us picture these guys coming back, slamming free beers in every bar across America and bedding starlets every night. But these guys joined to be part of something bigger than them and that's how they perceive it. When they do get home, at least the family guys, look forward most to being with their families and close friends, not to be treated as heroes.

    Great post.

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  • Vegas Vic said... (original post)

    Great post.

    Thanks. A funny story about him that I just remembered was when he came back after his first tour. His wife had a small party at her house for him the second or third day back. A few of the men were out back having a beer and I was bitching about my mower stalling. The next morning he showed up and asked if I needed help with the mower. I told him I was just going to take it into the shop. He said something about owing me for helping with the kids while he was gone and I obviously said no thanks was needed, etc. And he said something to the effect of, "No, I really want to. I've been dreaming of just doing regular guy stuff for six months. I've already mowed my lawn and my neighbors' lawns this morning, I just went by McDonald's because I've been wanting their crappy pancakes for weeks now and I remembered you had a problem. Let me fuck with it for a bit."

  • reg_hartner said... (original post)

    An instructor put it another way: "They're all studs," he said of the 18-to-28-year-old men who report for training. But often it's the super-studs who are the first to drop out.

    And that leads to the second surprise. You think SEALs look like Rambo? They don't -- think more along the lines of Daniel Craig's James Bond. The average size of a SEAL is probably 5ft.-10, 175 pounds.

    The Navy commissioned Gallup to look at almost 8,000 attempts to get through the key SEAL training, known as BUD/S (Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL). It turned up very interesting findings about who's most likely to succeed. The sweet spot? Twenty-two to 25-year-olds, college educated, and NOT from glamour sports (football, basketball and baseball players don't do any better than non-athletes).

    Who does? Water polo players are number one. Triathletes, lacrosse players, boxers, rugby players, swimmers and wrestlers, in that order, also fit the bill. Endurance sports are great predictors of success: mountain biking, climbing and rappelling, skiing and snowboarding. The study has helped the Navy re-make recruiting.

    Yes, they are intelligent, relatively well educated, multi-skilled, survival, escape and evasion, weapons, explosives scuba, jump school and SEAL training. They all can run and swim all day. They can operate imdependently and make good decisions under pressure.
    They don't have to be big. The above skills are most important. Dedication is important and after their training they are fearless.

  • Vegas Vic

    OldWolverito said... (original post)

    Thanks. A funny story about him that I just remembered was when he came back after his first tour. His wife had a small party at her house for him the second or third day back. A few of the men were out back having a beer and I was bitching about my mower stalling. The next morning he showed up and asked if I needed help with the mower. I told him I was just going to take it into the shop. He said something about owing me for helping with the kids while he was gone and I obviously said no thanks was needed, etc. And he said something to the effect of, "No, I really want to. I've been dreaming of just doing regular guy stuff for six months. I've already mowed my lawn and my neighbors' lawns this morning, I just went by McDonald's because I've been wanting their crappy pancakes for weeks now and I remembered you had a problem. Let me fuck with it for a bit."

    Not a funny story...a FANTASTIC story.

    All out of up votes, so I owe you one.

    Similar situation when one of my cousins returned from Nam. All he wanted to do was the same old stuff we used to do. We finally understood what he was getting at: all that glad-handing made him uncomfortable. Just hand him that beer in your garage and talk cars, deer hunting, etc. and let him go with whatever he was cool with.

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  • reg_hartner said... (original post)

    An instructor put it another way: "They're all studs," he said of the 18-to-28-year-old men who report for training. But often it's the super-studs who are the first to drop out.

    And that leads to the second surprise. You think SEALs look like Rambo? They don't -- think more along the lines of Daniel Craig's James Bond. The average size of a SEAL is probably 5ft.-10, 175 pounds.

    The Navy commissioned Gallup to look at almost 8,000 attempts to get through the key SEAL training, known as BUD/S (Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL). It turned up very interesting findings about who's most likely to succeed. The sweet spot? Twenty-two to 25-year-olds, college educated, and NOT from glamour sports (football, basketball and baseball players don't do any better than non-athletes).

    Who does? Water polo players are number one. Triathletes, lacrosse players, boxers, rugby players, swimmers and wrestlers, in that order, also fit the bill. Endurance sports are great predictors of success: mountain biking, climbing and rappelling, skiing and snowboarding. The study has helped the Navy re-make recruiting.

    Yep. Strong, but not bulky. More athletic than anything else. And VERY smart since they're now doing a lot of intelligence and investigatory work than just grunt missions. Also have to fit in with the surrounding populations well.

    Think along the line of Bear Grylls

    "People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." - Mark Dantonio.

  • OldWolverito said... (original post)

    One of the girls I was friends with in high school is married to a guy who was on the team that captured Saddam Hussein. I only know this because she used to live in the same town as me and I helped her boys with their sport stuff while he was away. When he came back, for about a year, he had some real tough emotional struggles. As someone mentioned earlier, he came back and felt a lot of remorse for the accolades he received from his commanders while many of his friends had either been killed, or were still fighting. I think he had a lot of nightmares about the entire thing. She never told me any of this, but broke down to my wife about the situation. Obviously, he's never said a word about it. Some therapy helped and he's back in service now. I think a lot of us picture these guys coming back, slamming free beers in every bar across America and bedding starlets every night. But these guys joined to be part of something bigger than them and that's how they perceive it. When they do get home, at least the family guys, look forward most to being with their families and close friends, not to be treated as heroes.

    Difference is that you'll never know who shot bin laden. Not only will they not release seal team six member names for obvious reasons, but the guy that actually shot bin laden likely does not want to be identified because doing so puts him and his family at risk

    "People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." - Mark Dantonio.

  • JMSparty08 said... (original post)

    Difference is that you'll never know who shot bin laden. Not only will they not release seal team six member names for obvious reasons, but the guy that actually shot bin laden likely does not want to be identified because doing so puts him and his family at risk

    "No one" knows he was involved with the Saddam mission as well. It certainly isn't advertised. I'm certain that his wife has never told him that she told my wife. I'd guess that her, my wife and myself are the only three people outside of his military group that has any idea he was involved. But I get what you're saying. Funny thing is, I have no desire to know who was responsible for OBL. None of my business. While I'm sitting home worried about Darrius Morris going to the NBA, I have no right to question or have privy to the who, what, why, where, when or how our military accomplishes what they do. I trust that they have my, and our, country's best interest at heart and will do what is right.

  • OldWolverito said... (original post)

    "No one" knows he was involved with the Saddam mission as well. It certainly isn't advertised. I'm certain that his wife has never told him that she told my wife. I'd guess that her, my wife and myself are the only three people outside of his military group that has any idea he was involved. But I get what you're saying. Funny thing is, I have no desire to know who was responsible for OBL. None of my business. While I'm sitting home worried about Darrius Morris going to the NBA, I have no right to question or have privy to the who, what, why, where, when or how our military accomplishes what they do. I trust that they have my, and our, country's best interest at heart and will do what is right.

    ya I'm going to go beyond what you say.

    I'm proud of what our servicemen do for us. It is honorable service. I'll even say: it is worthy of this country and its best values 99.99% of the time.

    Politicians? Eh...politics is complicated.
    Intelligence? Intelligence often goes sideways. You've got to love ambiguity to love those guys.

  • JMSparty08 said... (original post)

    Yep. Strong, but not bulky. More athletic than anything else. And VERY smart since they're now doing a lot of intelligence and investigatory work than just grunt missions. Also have to fit in with the surrounding populations well.

    Think along the line of Bear Grylls

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  • Diodotus said... (original post)

    ya I'm going to go beyond what you say.

    I'm proud of what our servicemen do for us. It is honorable service. I'll even say: it is worthy of this country and its best values 99.99% of the time.

    Politicians? Eh...politics is complicated. Intelligence? Intelligence often goes sideways. You've got to love ambiguity to love those guys.

    You know, it's backwards. it's a shame that the blood, sweat and tears shed by our military personnel become a pawn used by politicians; on both sides of the aisle. We have people who, for the most part, do things the right way on one hand; and on the other hand we have a bunch of bullshit artists bending the military's accomplishments and feeding us information that benefits them politically. It's like having a master chef prepare a meal, tossing that meal in the garbage and us relying on the raccoons, possums and other rodents to tell us if it was tasty.

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  • OldWolverito said... (original post)

    None of my business. While I'm sitting home worried about Darrius Morris going to the NBA, I have no right to question or have privy to the who, what, why, where, when or how our military accomplishes what they do. I trust that they have my, and our, country's best interest at heart and will do what is right.

    Well said. Too many people in this country believe they're entitled to know everything that's going on and that we all should have Top Secret security clearance to know anything and everything about what our military does. If people really want to know what goes on behind the scenes, I suggest they enlist, pick up a gun, and fight. Either that or try to become President. Otherwise, they all need to STFU.

    There's no doubt that our military members have our country's best interests at heart. While a lot of people knock them because of the educational and socioeconomic background that most of them come from, they are a rare breed of human being. To be able to believe so strongly in something that you're willing to risk your life for it and put your country before yourself is an absolutely amazing thing and we all should be so lucky to have such great human beings in our military. Sometimes when I see how the people in our country act and when I hear some of the idiocy that is said, I don't think we deserve them.

    "People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." - Mark Dantonio.

  • JMSparty08 said... (original post)

    Well said. Too many people in this country believe they're entitled to know everything that's going on and that we all should have Top Secret security clearance to know anything and everything about what our military does. If people really want to know what goes on behind the scenes, I suggest they enlist, pick up a gun, and fight. Either that or try to become President. Otherwise, they all need to STFU.

    There's no doubt that our military members have our country's best interests at heart. While a lot of people knock them because of the educational and socioeconomic background that most of them come from, they are a rare breed of human being. To be able to believe so strongly in something that you're willing to risk your life for it and put your country before yourself is an absolutely amazing thing and we all should be so lucky to have such great human beings in our military. Sometimes when I see how the people in our country act and when I hear some of the idiocy that is said, I don't think we deserve them.

    Anybody who knocks the military for inferior education or economic background is just ignorant. The military is a fairly accurate cross section of America except that everyone has a high school diploma or GED--not true for the general public.
    The SEALS are an elite group, so they are more excusive. You have to be far more athletic, intelligent and determined than even the average sailor or marine to make it. The same is true for Rangers, Special Forces, and AFSOC. The SAS is also a pretty good European equivalent.

  • All of the special ops forces were involved in this in one way or another. The SEALS did not act alone - they were aided by the CIA, rangers, delta force etc. Likewise, there were more guys out there than the guy who shot bin Laden. Let's not limit our praise to one group or individual.

  • it's funny how movies in the 80s made all top level military soldiers out to be these huge, bulky dudes like Rambo or Schwarzenegger.

    In reality, pure physical strength is not very effective when your mission involves a lot of aerobic ability. These guys definitely have to be strong, but they also have to be able to run and swim all day and not run out of gas. Also, agility has to be very important. Imagine Ah-nold trying to run and jump through a SEAL obstacle course, haha.

    Obviously for hollywood, the big 80s bulk action stars just look more intimidating. But looking big means nothing to a bullet.