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Saw that Keith was on the front of SI's hoops page; didn't expect it to be Seth Davis questioning him, though...
Biggest problem: The Jigsaw Man likes Keith Appling. He just doesn't like Appling for this team. The 6-1 junior from Detroit has done an admirable job running Tom Izzo's offense the last two seasons, but he has never looked comfortable. Meanwhile, shouldering those responsibilities has thrown off his shooting. (Appling is averaging 13.8 points but he is making just 42.6 percent from the floor and 30.9 percent from three-point range. As a freshman playing shooting guard full-time, he made 41.1 percent from three.) The Jigsaw Man would like to give the Spartans a true pass-first point guard who will allow Appling to move off the ball and do a better job delivering post feeds to Derrick Nix and Adreian Payne. (The Jigsaw Man is tired of seeing Nix try to execute a drop step. It makes his head hurt.) This addition should also be a tough defensive player who will help a team that is ranked 294th in the country in steals percentage. And don't worry, the Jigsaw Man is also very cognizant that it takes a special type of player to run Izzo's team. He has to be smart, tough and able to deliver in the clutch.
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he's not wrong....
Interesting opinions....I only wish he would have told us what "The Jigsaw Man" thought.
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Are we really that low on steals? I always assumed we had a lot more steals then that...
Keith is doing a great job running things, but it has taken away from the rest of his game in his first 2 years. I think the PG stuff is getting more and more second nature to him now though so we are seeing his offensive production go up.
I've always thought Appling was a much better pure scorer and slasher. Would love for Appling to be in GH's position with them splitting time, while Trice runs the point.
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Never heard of steals percentage.... Izzo hasn't had that player Seth describes since Mateen. Lucas, Neitzel, Hill and even Bell his senior year were shooting/scoring point guards. True PGs are not growing on trees.
The concept of the article is stupid. While we're at it, replace Harris with Charlie Bell, Dawson with JRich, Payne with Randolph.......
Trice is more a shooter than ballhandler. He struggles with pressure d.
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I agree. I guess I am just holding out hope he can develop into a poor man's Trey Burke. Appling at PG gives the team the best chance to succeed given our roster.
Craziness I swear there are few analysts left who played the game. Keith's shooting percentage had nothing to do with what position he is playing and everything to so with form. Appling has a flat jumper and is prone to streakiness. It's always been that way. He is a pure point guard in every sense. Makes his teammates better, gets penetration and assists, takes over in the clutch, and plays world class on the ball D against the opposing PG.
What the hell does steal percentage have to do with the marking of a good defender.
In most cases, going for a steal is a risk/reward action that the player is most likely punished with a missed assignment or blow-by if not successful.
He's got some valid points, but Appling has been doing a great job of running the team this year.
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He was MSU's best PG option last year. And it would be pretty dumb to sit Harris so he could playing SG after he's moved into that role.
Not really fair though because MSU does moves him around.
As far has his shooting... as a freshman on that squad, he wasn't the emphasis of the defense. Now he is. Seems to me though his best game is breaking down defenders with the dribble vs catch and shoot. He has some sick moves to the hoop.
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I thought Izzo's defense doesn't over play the steal and concentrates on missed shots and rebounding. Second thought is that if Appling wants to make it in the league it would have to be at the point, so Tom is also looking to help him improve on those skills as a part of the deal for playing at MSU. On top of that, the dude is a scorer and he is clutch, so I want the ball in his hands with the clock winding down. Who does the Jigsaw Man want with the ball at crunch
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Well then, what point guards would you rather have handle the rock in a tight game in the last 2 minutes than Appling? Simple truth is, he is playing winning basketball at a very high level from the PG position.
So our "Biggest problem" is having Keith Appling?
Yeah, that's weird. MSU would be better if we had what EVERY Div1 team should have and what comes around once every 3 years or so for 5-6 teams in the entire NCAA-a true pass-first point guard who also can drain 3s at a 40% plus clip..Oh, and have has to be able to defend like Keith Appling too.
Gotcha. We'll get right on that, Seth ;)
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Sounds to me like "The Jigsaw Man" likes flash and not effectiveness given his Nix comments as well.
1. KA plays best with the ball in his hands, he's not a curl around screens and spot up type shooter.
2. He defends the 1 way better than he can the 2
3. Do we really want a full time rotation with 2 small guards?
4. If he has a NBA future, it is at PG
5. His shot is broken fundamentally and he is the focus of all defenses. That would not change at SG.
6. Do you really want someone else with the ball that much?
7. We already move him off the ball at times
Struggles with pressure D and pay attention to his drives to the basket. He is not physically strong enough to absorb contact and finish. Appling might not be a pure point guard. You can take away about 4 wins: Kansas, Iowa, Bowling Green and Wisconsin without him running our offense. Seth Davis can F off!
So what's the solution? Run him out of town?
Appling is the MVP of this team by far. Sure he isn't necessarily a "true" PG but honestly there aren't that many good true points in the college game
Appling is more of a point guard this year than last and by next year he'll have learned the position well enough to be an NBA point guard. He doesn't have a future in the NBA as a 2 guard.
Is he 100% comfortable at the point? No, but so what, he's a good point guard now and he helps the team most there.
Yahtzeee! There's the rub.
No, Appling is not a "true" PG, but he's our best ballhandler (by far) and he's only 6'1" (meaning he can't be a SG in the NBA). Therefore, there is no other option but to play him at PG. We'd be pretty screwed without him playing the point.
This..Izzo and the coaches know that Appling will have a better opportunity to get to the league as a point guard and Appling is willing to take on the challenge as well and he has improved since last year. I think he goes one more summer as a point guard and he will be a stud next year. Especially when Burke and Aaron Craft leave this year..Appling will have the spotlight on him as the best point guard in the league and a possible first rounder with his speed and slashing ability.
Agreed. And who the hell else is Izzo supposed to run out there for 38 minutes a game?
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