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That's why you're here. Good to see she seems to be doing better. For a bit it sounded like her condition was getting worse because of unforeseen damage.
This is still an amazing story. Did this make national news at all?
It's been a busy week in the news. If it was a slow week it maybe would have found it's way on the news.
Her family will be pleased to read of your concern.
I read the news today, oh boy .. ..
About a lucky man who made the grade
Yeah, because I'm sure her family is reading tRCMB right now.
IGU low-E windows pay for themselves in energy savings a lot faster than that... and no, I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night... I've done consulting work for a glass company.
However, 120 lbs running straight at the window will break most window units, especially if they hit it first with the head, knee, elbow, etc. (basically, any part of the body that would put impact on just one specific spot in the window). Short of using laminated glass, there isn't that much you can do to prevent a dumb teenager from running through a window... and laminated glass is an overkill IMO, and very very expensive. There is no building code that says that dorm windows should be laminated because, for the most part, people don't play football on 6th floors.
So now she just fell through the glass? She wasn't running or anything the may have carried her momentum through the glass? She just stood there and fell through the window....right...
The CN tower has an area of glass flooring where people of all sizes stand on top of it and jump up and down.
Have you ever been in a dorm before? We used to play tackle football and hockey in the hall ways.
This is absolutely correct. The Michigan Building Code calls for windows to be designed to withstand a specific wind load. I don't have my code book in front of me or I would look it up for East Lansing.
Edit: If I had to venture a guess, I would say that it is around 100 mph sustained wind.
This post was edited by Motown Spartan 2 years ago
That is laminated glass, and it was put there so that people could do that. No one is going to install laminated glass on 6th floor dorm windows--and they shouldn't have to.
Make all windows out of the same material that they used for the Grand Canyon Skywalk! Won't someone think of the children??
Seriously, can't we get every dorm study lounge window made out of bulletproof limo glass.
What if there's a drive by?
Why didn't you play in the lounges? Maybe because of the windows?
Obvious negligence on the part of MSU.
We didn't have lounges. We were over capacity and the lounges were converted into rooms.
I can promise though that, at 17,18 or 19 years old, we never would have worried about windows. It never would have crossed our minds.
This post was edited by Io Triumphe 2 years ago
Bullet resistant is technically correct.
If you're running full-speed at a window, there's very little difference between the window breaking and it shattering enough for you to go through.
It's not like she was standing still and punched the window. She was running to catch a pass and probably had a good deal of momentum when she ran through the window.
Also, I'm not 100% sure of this and I could be wrong depending on when Case Hall was built, but I'd guess that dorms actually have IGU windows, not single pane. An IGU has 2 pieces of glass separated by a gas-filled space, and it's meant to reduce heat transfer... so it would make a lot of sense for dorms to have IGUs.
This post was edited by arfabe16 2 years ago
I've done all kinds of things in study lounges, and football was never one of them. Who is an idiot that decided to play football with her at 3 AM instead of tapping that ass? Failure to properly utilize that ass has led to this tragedy.
I don't know much about law, but I know a lot about windows... and it's really hard for me to blame anyone but the girl (and maybe the Denard-armed "QB" who led her into the window with a pass). I hope she has a full recovery and this is a really sad story, but there are few scenarios that don't end with disaster when someone runs into a 6th floor dorm window.
If this was a skyscraper or some other building with curtain wall, then the glass would probably be laminated. But building code doesn't require dorm windows to withstand an adult human running full-speed into them, mostly because it's something that's not supposed to happen.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by arfabe16 2 years ago
South complex lounges don't have floor to ceiling windows, just like the rooms, the window is a couple feet off the floor above the radiant heater.
Please explain in more detail. I believe that the school will have governmental immunity. Perhaps the university will offer a tuition type deal, but they are not going to be able to be sued for negligence.
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