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OK, this might be a little long but I have gotta catch you up on the backstory before posing the question. A couple months ago when Liverpool first played Man United, Liverpool's new Uruguayan striker, Luis Suarez, was accused of racially abusing Man United Franco-African midfielder, Patrice Evra. You could tell they were upset at each other all game and afterwards, Evra filed a formal complain the the FA that he was racially abused by Suarez. This went to trial, etc. and Suarez ended up being charged with what seemed to be little evidence (this is debatable). From what I can tell, he yelled in Spanish at him a couple times and the word "negro" was incorporated into whatever he was saying, and he admits to this. Anyways, Suarez got fined and banned for 8 games (which is a ton considering it is a 38 game season).
Flash forward to his second game back (Saturday) and Liverpool was playing Man U. A lot of media was put on what would happen between the two. Suarez refused to shake Evra's hand in the ceremonial before game handshakes (video below) and this caused some serious beef. After the game, Man U's manager claimed "Some players should not be allowed to play for Liverpool again, the history that club's got, and he does that. In a situation like today he could have caused a riot."
I guess I am wondering what people's opinion is on this. I am a Liverpool fan so I am a little biased but my opinion is that he doesn't like the guy and shouldn't be forced to shake his hand. Rather than talking to Suarez about the things he said to him during the game, he went past the 'let's work this out between us' level by filing a racial abuse case on him, permentantly damaging his reputation and partially ruining his and his team's season. Why should he be forced to come back and make amends and put this behind him. The guy made it known they would no longer have a relationship after that event so why force them to pretend like they do? Other people feel differently and that he rekindled poor race relations in the country.
What does the RCMB think?
Luis Suarez causes further controversy by refusing to shake hands with Patrice Evra.
video from sky sports
soccer thread, noob.
I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.
I am on the Suarez team here. Evra acted like a bitch by not addressing the issue directly with Suarez after it happened. Even many of the Man U old timers feel like this was overblown and should have been handled by the players. Suarez has elected the "you are dead to me" track and doesn't even acknowledge Evra's existance, so making them shake hands is ridiculous. Now, with that said, Suarez did make a big mistake telling his club president and manager that he would shake hands when he had no intention of doing it. Kenny has backed Luis to a fault, and Luis made him look like a fool.That's what could bite him in the ass in the end.
Totally agree with the last part. That's politics...can't keep your team out of the loop. Interested to see what happens.
Yeah, I know people don't like soccer. But it's a story that would get posted the day of if it was NBA, NFL, or college bball/fball. In the end, it is the same concept regardless of the sport.
just f'n around.
Suarez is a cunt.
Wow I love Liverpool fans. Player uses a racially insensitive term with the sole purpose of getting under another players skin. Suarez has a history of being volatile on the pitch and has played nearly his whole career in areas where the term would be offensive. He gets called on it and suspended. Given all the racial problems and initiatives in the sport that seems like the appropriate action. Yet Suarez and Dalgleish can t admit any wrong and try to play the victim. In doing so, makes himself look like even a bigger ass on Saturday. You all still defend him. He used a racial term with the intent of pissing someone off. Then acted like a child when they met again. Enjoy missing out on the Champions league next year, couldn't happen to a better bunch.
Evra. Suarez is a POS and Liverpool should just get rid of him at this point. There was plenty of evidence of his racist tirade against Evra, which is the reason he was found guilty of racial abuse and banned an almost unprecedented 8 games (about 20% of the EPL season). Then coming right off this he decides to snub the guy he racially abused? Give me a friggin' break? If he was truly sorry for his actions (as he said he was) he should have sought Evra out. Instead he made an utter ass out of himself and the club. Dalglish said as much. At this point I'd sell him off. Maybe he'd enjoy dodging kidnap attempts down in South America.
Suarez is a million dollar talent, who unfortunately has a 10 cent brain. BTW, Evra didn't exactly handle the situation well at the end of the match either. Then again, if I was in his shoes, I'd probably knock the mfer out.
Evra did punch his card into being a Manchester United Legend though, but I agree, his celebration at the end of the match wasn't the best idea.
They're both a pair of little shits. Suarez is the much better player though. Just wish the media would stop talking about this bullshit and focus on some of the more important issues in football right now.
I just love the irony of Fergie saying he should never play for Liverpool again, while he persuaded Cantona to stay at Man U after the kung-fu kick, not to mention the dozens over other virtuous actions of his players in recent years.
Yeah, I agree. They both seem a little immature. Suarez is always whining C. Ronaldo style and Evra has also been known for creating drama (France team mutiny during world cup). I agree the whole incident has been overhyped.
I mean, you could also argue that if Evra really wanted to work this out between the two, he would have gone to Suarez directly after the game or allowed Suarez to come to him rather than filing a racial abuse case against him.
I'll tell you if someone really pisses me off and I get too heated and say something I shouldn't. You give me some time to think about it, and I am going to apologize for my actions. If they file a lawsuit against me for what I said and try to screw over me and my family over it, I damn sure am not going to sincerely apologize and try to make amends.
Hopefully you never hurl racial epithets at people at your place of work resulting in someone filing a charge against you. Evra isn't my favorite player, but he was well within his rights to file charges and absolutely should have done so. I'm sorry, but if someone calls me the type of names that Suarez called Evra repeatedly during a match, I'm not seaking him out afterward to work it out.
You also have to view this through the prism of racial abuse that faces african (and players of african decent) in major European leagues. Maurice Edu (an American midfielder for those that don't follow the game) had his car set ablaze by Celtic fans. Oguchi Onyewu and DeMarcus Beasley have also faced putrid abuse. However, for the most part you don't see it coming from the professionals on the field. When it happens, this type of behavior needs to be stamped out. Thus, Suarez should have absolutely shaken Evra's hand prior to the game, which Evra was willing to do. Instead he exacerbated an already volatile situation.
In addition, I don't know if you've ever been to a Man U v. Liverpool match, but I have and let me tell you it ain't for the faint of heart. Makes a Raiders/Forty Niners game look a game of red rover. The last thing you need is this kinda garbage on the field.
Again, Suarez is a POS and if I was a Liverpool fan, I'd be embarassed every time he pulled the crest over his heart. Say what you want about the media hype it up, but Suarez brought this attention onto himself and his club. No one is to blame for this but him. Liverpool could defuse it, however, by selling the a-hole back to South America. I'm sure River Plate would love to have him.
This post was edited by 007Spartan 2 years ago
Not a huge fan of Evra or Man U either. I Respect the hell outta Fergie's ability to put a consistent winner out on the pitch while so regularly turning over his lineup, however, his clubs are as dirty as any in the EPL.
Really disappointed in Dalglish in this situation, though. He's one of my all-time favorites. Growing up playing the game in the 80s and 90s you couldn't find much football on the tube, so my coaches and folks would buy me tapes of great players. Kenny the King was one of my favorites and he was and is a true ambassador of the game.
I wonder if he would've handled this situation differently if it wasn't Fergie and Man U on the other side of the situation.
Now wait, no one here knows exactly what he said. Evra initially told the press that Suarez called him the N word at least 10 times during the match which got the media in a frenzy, but when he was officially interviewed by the FA panel, Evra changed his story to say that Suarez, speaking in spanish, said the word 'negro' to him 5 times in response to Evra attempting to say something in spanish about Suarez's sister's pussy. (“Concha de tu hermana”). Evra couldn't understand anything else Suarez said. In other words, Evra lit the fuse, and Suarez's dumb ass stepped directly on the bomb. Neither of these clowns look good in this situation. It should have been handled between the players and if necessary the clubs.
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