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this. If you find yourself in the same job area as your undergrad degree in 10 years ..then you probably aren't going to be moving up in the company to senior positions no matter what degree you got. The BA gets you in the door. Your performance and ability to either play politics or move yourself into a high growth business will determine your ceiling.
This post was edited by lars 15 months ago
That and sucking a package
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I second this, do accounting.
I'm an engineer but would definitely recommend SC/Logistics to anyone interested in business. A lot of job opportunities and its a growing field. My little brother is going into it.
Honestly you can write your own ticket. Get an MBA too and you'll be a director within. 5-10 years.
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Why accounting in particular?
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Finance is not nearly as prestigious as SCM and ACC and as a result it is harder to get a jobs/ internships.
Like Lars I got my degree in MLM from MSU.
You can tell max advancement potential by looking at the officer positions in the company. I work for a Fortune 100 company that manufactures Ag and construction equipment....there are two VP positions in SM. (There are about 10 jobs in the company that would be a higher salary grade than this including the CEO) Typically if you choose a large equipment manufacturing company the senior SM positions will be highly valued.
I've worked for two companies since leaving MSU, Honda and my current employer.
Every job I've held in those two firms has been a SM job except on stint as the program manger in charge of developing the next generation of a piece of construction equipment.
I have an MBA from ASU with a SM emphasis.
I've had no problem advancing....but my career progression has been faster than typical.
Salary is excellent.....more than I ever expected to earn. There is one caveat, the travel is brutal. I'll be home next week, in Augusta the following week, Singapore the week after that, Mexico the following week, Mannheim the next week, and Montenegro the week after that. (It's not usually that bad, but I'm gone about 50% of the time)
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already been said but I tell literally everyone I talk to that is thinking about business to do SCM. As for the dead end-ness, SCM encompasses transportation, purchasing, manufacturing, inventory management, warehousing, ERP systems, etc etc so the opportunities are basically endless. Almost every person posting in this thread could spend 1 week updating resumes on all the key sites and get contacted 10 times about jobs the next week.
Yeah...I don't get that one either....typically the functional area directors and VPs are going to have degrees in that field (finance, accounting, engineering, SM, HR)
My memory though is that Lars works in the insurance or medical field (I could be wrong on this) so it might be different there.
This post was edited by doc_spartan 15 months ago
Have seen a couple people say do Accounting. How hard is it to get into the broad school and more specifically the Accounting program at MSU? I'm a sophomore and want to do Accounting with a 3.5 gpa.
It's very competitive. That's a good GPA. Talk with an advisor about the program and a strategy to schedule your classes. I'm sure you'll be good to go.
I graduated in 2010 with an SCM degree and an IT specialization. I kind of locked myself into staying in Michigan and even with not so great GPA 3.4 I had a job upon graduation. Now my salary isn't what I hoped for it to be (working for a small company will do that) but I have gotten significant raises every year and I am highly valued in the company. I am contacted by head hunters about once every two months for jobs and have passed. I would recommend it to anyone but you must be willing to be an asshole sometimes and deal with assholes a lot.
It's a good gig with a lot of opportunities for growth from what I've seen. If you are willing to leave Michigan you will have a ton of opportunities after graduation. You can still find supply chain jobs here but you are more likely to end up in the auto industry. Like the poster above said. Be prepared to be shit on daily and also to have to shit on others. Everyone wants everything yesterday and there are a lot of assholes in the industry. Going into a "business" area I would definitely recommend SCM or accounting.
Lower ceiling? I guess maybe that's the case at where I work, but the ceiling still seems pretty high. Realistically, I'm looking at a ceiling of around $300K, if I want to stay in SCM. My ceiling is that because I don't want to dedicate my life to work. Work is what I do to facilitate my wants outside work. The highest individuals here make (I'm guessing) between $500K-$700K.
I didn't major in SCM at State, but I have worked in the profession for the past 20 years. Back then, people hadn't even heard of supply chain management. It was mostly known as just "purchasing", and those colleagues weren't regarded very highly in the corporate power structure. But the profession has evolved a lot over the years.
It's a great profession, overall. The best thing about it is that it's not industry specific, so you're relatively recession-proof. Every company in every industry buys goods and services, so if your company or industry experiences a downturn, you always have the option to switch.
I graduated with a SCM degree in '01. I wasn't terribly impressed with the curriculum (large class sizes, multiple choice exams, not a lot of applied learning), but MSU did excel with pairing students up with employers for both internships and salaried positions. I had paid 6 month internships at both Monsanto and Steelcase, and had several offers, including IBM, Steelcase, Pharmacia, Monsanto, Kodak (yikes), Rolls Royce & NASA. Took the job at IBM, and have since moved to another company.
The subject matter itself can be a little underwhelming (optimize value streams - fairly common sense stuff), so distinguishing your performance against peers often comes down to interpersonal skills. With that said, it's a strategic area of focus for most companies, and can be surprisingly well insulated against layoffs, since you're typically there to help the company save money. If you like problem solving and project management, it's a great field to be in.
I was referring to being put in the executive track. Typically corps move you around to different areas to get you a broad understanding of the business. Yes you can advance in SCM and make good money. Most of my friends who are now senior level moved from SCM to other areas during their career. Mostly because that's how the company promotes people to senior executive positions . Granted they all are in their 40s and fast tracked to executive levels. I moved out of SCM after a few years into small business and I run my own businesses now..couldn't stand corp America life.
Graduated in SCM in December of 2008... Awful timing to graduate as that was the low point in the recession and many companies I interviewed were canning people instead of hiring. So I didn't have a job til about 9 months after graduation. It didnt help that i moved into SCM a year before graduation so I did not have much experience. Now I'm a procurement analyst for the past two years. As many have said, you have to be able to be tough with people because you'll deal with a lotta morons.
I always tell people now who are looking at SCM, get to know SAP or JDE, or some sort of industry standard. It helps a TON with potential employers. Also, get experience! Anything is better than nothing.
I'm currently trying to figure out my career path as my company has no room for advancement. I don't think I'd have any trouble finding a new job elsewhere now that I've got 2 and half years of MRP under my belt.
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Totally agree. There's a 400 level Excel modeling class. Probably the most practical class you can take at MSU for an SCM major. Become an expert at Excel, and an MRP system if you can. I'd love to see MSU have more SAP classes or something, because that's probably going to be your first role.
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Completely agree with both of you. I really enjoyed my 400 level modeling classes. Avoid transportation management and negotiations since they are both kind of worthless.
Know MRP, Excel, SAP/whatever ERP system available.
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The 400 modeling class was great. But now that I have been in my job for 2.5 years I have maybe used that information once or twice. I am sure that if I were to move to a new company I would need to brush up on those skills. I do think that the negotiations class was actually one of the better classes I took and I think the letter or recommendation from my professor is what really sealed me my job.
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