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1) New York Times writer tests Tesla Model S, claims car died on road trip and disparages Tesla.
2) Elon Musk, Tesla founder, gets angry and disputes, claiming NYT writer (John Broder) straight up lied about what he did with car, including detour and driving above agreed-upon speeds, invalidating test
3) Musk publishes car log data (very detailed), including proof that Broder drove around in circles in a parking lot to drain battery as far as possible. Basically writer caught red-handed.
As someone who is a huge fan of Tesla's work (drooled over Model S at auto show, saw a zillion while I was in California)....good on Musk. F this writer who I dearly hope gets fired.
Links below are as follows:
1) Original NYT article
2) NYT article's response to Musk's statements about writer being a total liar
3) Tesla blog's logs showing car logs (hehehe)
4) Slashgear summary
A small municipal electric provider in Connecticut says its experience with electric vehicles leaves room for skepticism.
Some additional thoughts about a troubled test drive of the Tesla Model S along the East Coast.
You may have heard recently about an article written by John Broder from The New York Timesthat makes numerous claims about the performance of the Model S. We are upset by this article because it does not factually represent Tesla technology, which is designed and tested to operate well in both hot and cold climates.
Tesla has torn into the New York Times review of its Model S electric car, using systems logs showing charge and recharge status, driving style, cabin settings
gotta question why the writer did that???? Trying to devalue stock so his buddies could buy cheap?? paid off to do it by Conservatives looking to push their war against Climate change???
Guy should never work again in journalism.
I am now occasionally checking Broder's twitter account, waiting for his "reply." Douche got caught with his hand in the libel cookie jar.
The latest from John Broder (@jbrodernyt).
Good for Tesla, fighting back against this kind of bullshit.
I wouldn't say the writer got caught red handed. I suspect that the "driving in circles" if that is what happened, was simply a way for the writer to figure out exactly how much juice he had left. Far safer to pull into the rest area when he knew it was about to die than to go 2 more miles down the road and be stranded on the side of a busy freeway. If he pulled into the rest area and it went another 15 miles, then the writers story may have been different, explaining his concern but also the reality that it had a bit more juice.
Here's your response:
The logs seem pretty damning to me.
1) What exactly is the use in "figuring out how much juice" you have left? That was a) never part of the agreed-upon testing conditions, and b) NEVER mentioned in the writer's original article, and c) totally irrelevant to the article. The writer's job wasn't to test the specific accuracy of the rangemeter.
And even setting aside our disagreeing interpretations of the "driving in circles" action, which, again, was never mentioned in the article, how exactly are any of Tesla's accusations justifiable? From the Tesla Blog:
1) As the State of Charge log shows, the Model S battery never ran out of energy at any time, including when Broder called the flatbed truck.
2) The final leg of his trip was 61 miles and yet he disconnected the charge cable when the range display stated 32 miles. He did so expressly against the advice of Tesla personnel and in obvious violation of common sense.
3) In his article, Broder claims that “the car fell short of its projected range on the final leg.” Then he bizarrely states that the screen showed “Est. remaining range: 32 miles” and the car traveled “51 miles," contradicting his own statement (see images below). The car actually did an admirable job exceeding its projected range. Had he not insisted on doing a nonstop 61-mile trip while staring at a screen that estimated half that range, all would have been well. He constructed a no-win scenario for any vehicle, electric or gasoline.
4) On that leg, he drove right past a public charge station while the car repeatedly warned him that it was very low on range.
5) Cruise control was never set to 54 mph as claimed in the article, nor did he limp along at 45 mph. Broder in fact drove at speeds from 65 mph to 81 mph for a majority of the trip and at an average cabin temperature setting of 72 F.
6) At the point in time that he claims to have turned the temperature down, he in fact turned the temperature up to 74 F.
7) The charge time on his second stop was 47 mins, going from -5 miles (reserve power) to 209 miles of Ideal or 185 miles of EPA Rated Range, not 58 mins as stated in the graphic attached to his article. Had Broder not deliberately turned off the Supercharger at 47 mins and actually spent 58 mins Supercharging, it would have been virtually impossible to run out of energy for the remainder of his stated journey.
8) For his first recharge, he charged the car to 90%. During the second Supercharge, despite almost running out of energy on the prior leg, he deliberately stopped charging at 72%. On the third leg, where he claimed the car ran out of energy, he stopped charging at 28%. Despite narrowly making each leg, he charged less and less each time. Why would anyone do that?
9) The above helps explain a unique peculiarity at the end of the second leg of Broder’s trip. When he first reached our Milford, Connecticut Supercharger, having driven the car hard and after taking an unplanned detour through downtown Manhattan to give his brother a ride, the display said "0 miles remaining." Instead of plugging in the car, he drove in circles for over half a mile in a tiny, 100-space parking lot. When the Model S valiantly refused to die, he eventually plugged it in. On the later legs, it is clear Broder was determined not to be foiled again.
Sorry, but the superchargers are ridiculous. I'm not waiting 45-75 minutes to recharge on a trip. The car is great for short range driving with overnight charging but it is not suitable for anything else.
I actually have that link in the OP. It's Broder's response to Elon Musk yelling "this guy's a liar", before Musk actually revealed the logs. His response to the hard data is still forthcoming.
Edit: I suspect that this little shitbird had no idea just how much data the car was able to collect about status at any given moment. As someone said on Reddit:
"After the Top Gear debacle, one does get the impression that Elon Musk was just waiting for someone else to try the same thing again. I'm looking forward to seeing what Broder and the NYT have to say about it."
This post was edited by chris14 17 months ago
Only if there is an "IN and Out Burger" there.
looks like the problem was the guy stopped overnight which wasnt part of the test drive and didnt charge it up even though he knew it was going to be really cold. Why? seems like he had a agenda.
Really, an average consumer can't keep a car overnight without worrying about the charge dropping? Can't drive 10mph over the limit?
Not ready for primetime.
Nothing like driving around in a coal-fired car to show how much you care about the environment.
New York Times, that's all you need to know.
I think it's an issue with Tesla that their parked car lost about 40 miles of charge overnight. What the author did was try to drive within a reasonable facsimile if what Tesla told him to do to accomplish the intended goal.
The issue is whether a high tech $100,000.00 plus car can actually be taken on a trip of moderate length. At this time this is highly questionable. Musk is obviously about protecting his company but its obvious that pure electric cars are still toys for the wealthy and are not yet practical.
It's not that you can't. It's that if you do, your range will decrease. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
better tell that to all the guys who have Diesel trucks in cold states. They said it still had power but was a software glitch. If he had drove the test drive without detouring and staying overnight he wouldve had no problems, if he had plugged it in he wouldve known it still had power.
and it never ran out of power, despite the fact he drove over the speed limit which made the mileage go down.
I hope you're hungry. You're going to be stopping every 3 hours or so then waiting an hour to recharge.
The author also had a 61 mile leg, saw that the rangemeter said 32 (or something like that) and decided to drive out anyways. I don't really see any difference between electric and gas in this regard: if you've got one gallon left and you need two, how is it the car's fault?
The prevalence of Superchargers is something that obviously is still in its early stages, but for people to bag the car because users were dumb is pretty disingenuous.
Also I'm likely wrong about the "half mile in circles" thing being ironclad proof that the author is a jerk.
Same thing with gas. However, with gas you can fill up in 5 minutes. How long does it take to charge an electric car?
@loose stools because i forgot to hit quote:
Tesla's supercharger gets you 150 miles on 30 minutes of charging. I personally can burn 30 minutes eating lunch pretty easily.
I agree about the car's primetime worthiness...but really that has nothing to do with this situation. The NYT got caught manipulating data to appease the pre-determined position they wanted to push on this subject.
My guess? A well-planned PR stunt to get people talking about the NYT and Tesla. Looks like it's working very well, too...
Same thing happens with gas. You drive 55 and you get better mileage than 70, 80, etc.
I fail to see what John Broder did wrong.
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