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The difference is it would take me about 5 minutes tops to "recharge" a gasoline powered car versus an hour for electric. It's not practical for long range driving. And if you get stuck in traffic, yikes. Scale up is another problem. The Tesla will tie up a charging station for an hour versus a car that takes 5 minutes. you'd need 12X the number of charging stations as gas pumps.
The NYT is not the hotbed of integrity, I'll give you that. Honestly, I'd LOVE an electric car to be a viable option. The biggest security risk for this country is dependence on foreign oil. Electricity is our best option. However, whining that the dude drove ten miles over, and that the car loses charge overnight and should have been handled by the author does not make me confident in their product.
On practicality, that's a difference of opinion. 150 miles on half an hour of charge seems reasonable to me. Assuming that the only acceptable mindset for a road trip is to go as far as fast as possible is hardly reasonable.
As for scaling, the point of the supercharger is that you don't need gas stations with massive underground tanks. You can stick supercharger ports in mall parking lots, at restaurants, etc. Charging stations are tiny.
As it stands, now, an electric car is perfectly acceptable for city use. However, more and more cities are moving toward mass transit, and the bigger cities have been there for a while. Also, I am not in a position to have a "city" car and a "touring" car.
Battery life/charging times are the achilles heel for electric cars. They need to solve this problem before wide acceptance. They're trying to build cars before the energy plant is mature.
Again, I want this to work, but it seems it's not there, yet.
Why does it cause you to lose confidence? There seems to be zero evidence that the car ever lies about its range at any given moment.
Edit: we're responding to each other's past posts, so I'll let you consolidate first.
This post was edited by chris14 17 months ago
1. Electric cars are not as reliable as gasoline cars for longer trips. I don't think anyone is debating the opposite.
2. Teslas are amazing machines.
3. Don't really care what side of the electric/gas argument you're on... but if you write for one of the biggest papers in the country and you lie about a number of things that you did, your ass needs to be canned. If I lied or made up data at my job, and it was brought out in a public forum, I'd probably never work within 500 miles of this place ever again.
"At that point, I was already experiencing anxiety about range and had called a Tesla employee from the New Jersey Turnpike to ask how to stretch the battery. She said to shut off the cruise control to take advantage of battery regeneration from occasional braking and slowing down. Based on that advice, I was under the impression that stop-and-go driving at low speeds in the city would help, not hurt, my mileage."
That has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read in print.
Royal not only hit a home run in this post, he also threw a one pitch three swing strike out...well done, Royal.
Except that we aren't importing massive amounts of coal from the middle east.
Also, Wells Hall...
Great post. I think the point is that a reasonable road trip is perfectly doable. This is not a Leaf. The Tesla can go about 200 miles (3 hours?) then recharge for 30 minutes and go over 100 miles (1.5 hours?) more. That means you can do over a 300 mile road trip (over 4.5 hours) in a day with only a 30 minute stop. Obviously, not as easy as a gas car but for a pure electric car, that's quite a drastic step from everything else that is currently available. The car is expensive now but the technology is getting close. Future cars will have better range and be cheaper as other advances are made.
Arguing about the long-distance capabilities of an electric car is a bit like arguing which sports car is best suited for hauling lumber.
If you need a car for long trips, an electric car probably isn't the best choice.
PS: Broder is a UM alum.
Join Date: September 2007
Electric cars are for dudes expecting never again to get laid.
could have charged it when he stopped for the night.....oh
Your average UofM fan and I have something in common, neither of us went to UofM. Though we do share One major difference, I got Accepted.
yeah, owning a $100,000 car made in limited production is really going hurt your chances of getting laid.
This post was edited by MSUDancinBear 17 months ago
Maybe in the short term....but in the long term it will be domestic oil that helps to save this country. We importing about half the amount of oil today than just 7 years ago. The US is projected to pass Saudi Arabia in oil production by 2020. There is an incredible amount of natural gas and shale oil in this country. More than enough to allow us to use more of our own sources of energy while transitioning to more renewable, non-fossil fuels.
When did you put down your deposit?
Turd, please. I don't put down deposits. I pay outright. Get in the game.
I blame Obama.
Why do you hate America so much?
Wait, I thought liberals were in a war against climate change.
No Wells, what you say is true. I wish we weren't importing oil either.
If I had my preference, our electricity would come from nuclear power (supplemented by wind, solar, tidal and geothermal where ever practical.
As for vehicles, I'd like to see most of them running on CNG or diesel. Nothing corn based (which drives up the cost of food, and takes a ton of fresh water to grow).
I bet Edison put him up to this, Him and Tesla never got along.
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