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They were different but both satisfying.
2000 was the final regular season game, B1G championship, and cutting down the nets. It also had this weird vibe that every single shot would go in...every one. It was the final nail in getting out from UMs shadow. I was a self-satisfying win.
This one was great because no one could pull the 'we don't care about basketball' thing and it was the potentially biggest game ever played between the two schools. It reaffirms the hierarchy in the state and showcases MSU back in the forefront of college basketball. Also, first place in the B1G is nice.
This post was edited by Black Dutch 17 months ago
Agree. 2000 was our coming out party.
Last night was Michigan's going back in party.
This one is better. We knew where both programs were in 2000. This year was different. All pre season, all year, it has been um hype. MSU has had a better season, better wins AND better losses, and were home underdogs according to some. We just showed everybody who we are, and who they were.
I was in the building for the 2000 game and for this game.
This one was BETTER, WAY BETTER!
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This one was way better IMO. More of a national stage game. 2 good teams, and a season where Michigan was getting all the press and love. The entire nation was watching and we beat them down something epic, this was a 30+ point win before the walkons got put in. A top 4 team does not get beat down by 30 in a marque game all that often. The fact that Mcihigan fans had their hopes absolutely crushed in 2 hours is the cherry on top of the sundae.
The details fo the game make it even better, sure we shot well, but not lights out or anything, 48% for the game, we simply out toughed them. We were physically superior in every way and there was no way anyone watching could think that Michigan is anywhere near to us. If we would have shot 60% or something people could say, well, MSU just shot out of their minds, but we basically had an average shooting night for us.
114-63 is my favorite MSU event I've attended all time. Didn't get to go to the final four that year. The fact that we won the B1G....cut down the nets....and I was down on the floor when all that happened still puts that above this win, as great as it was.
Just different. This was probably more of an "accomplishment", but 114-63 was a celebration of a once-in-a-lifetime team, in their last home game together, just showing off what they looked like when all cylinders were hitting. The Wolverines were the Generals that day, only the Generals had cheated for a generation prior and had a miserable set of fans that somehow believed they are inherently superior.
Also, it was a celebration of Mateen, breaking the Big Ten career assists record and the single game record, and Izzo got a chance to just sit back, relax, watch them roll, and enjoy. It was a cherry on the sundae of a Big Ten title, a chance to savor what a brilliant team we had.
This one was a statement game, serving notice that we are capable of reaching heights, while dismantling a (yes, still very good) rival. Very different. Both incredibly satisfying.
While I see your point, and it's close, the 2000 game sealed a regular season title and got Mateen the assist record, against our bitter rival, AND we pummeled them. 114-63 tops this, but only a little. HOWEVER, to your point, this will become a memorable game for quite awhile, and remains the only time in 170 games when both teams were ranked in the Top Ten.
Doesn't quite match 2000.
My Blood Runs Green.....
He's got the name to go with it too.
The thing about 2000 was it was the death blow. UM had cheated and handled MSU through most the 90's. Izzo came in and things started to shift. MSU rattled off a couple great years but there was still a perception that things would shift back to UM after Ellerbe was canned.
That beatdown meant something, it showed them they were inferior and there was a new king in the state then and for the foreseeable future. The record fell, the the seniors danced, Steve Cherry draining threes. It was the old folks on their feet dancing in the aisles the entire second half. Each shot, assist, block was met with a roar that made you think it was a one possession game.
Nowadays, we expect to beat UM. We expect it because we do it most every time. Back in 2000 we were not that far removed from a time when MSU got second tier recruits, a time when a split with UM made you happy. 114-63 changed perceptions, changed the course of two programs, and made every Spartan walk a little taller.
I am sure that in 2000 we were a huge favorite. Last night we were underdogs on our own floor
That 2000 game was a classic payback for the Ed Martin decades. All the anger in one game. Last night was a statement of pecking order. The thing is, 2000 looks better because of the championships. If this team loses in Ann Arbor, doesn't win the conference, and peters out in the tournament, last night is just another win in the series.
Exactly this. Sure, beating the #4 team (that was recently #1) by 25 is impressive. And if this team goes on to win the B1G and gets to the Final Four (or even gets a natty), maybe in retrospect this win will be seen as a sort of statement game -- the nationally-televised proof that this Spartan team was a force.
But the 2000 game was just on another tier. If you grew up in Michigan in the 80s or 90s, you remember always being second place to Michigan. You remember CWebb and Jalen grabbing their crotches and wiping their asses on the S. Even as recently as 96/97, scUM had good teams, and MSU's ascendance to the national elite wasn't even contemplated, let along a foregone conclusion. At that point, you treasured every win over scUM because you weren't sure when the next one was coming. (Remember, when Mateen got in trouble for having an open container in 98, it was after a win at Michigan that was a huge deal because we hadn't won at Michigan in a number of years.) Many people in 2000 thought that once the Fintstones left MSU, the "rightful order" of things would return and UM would be back on top. (It must have been during the 01/02 season, after all, when the infamous "Izzo no longer Green Giant" column was written, no?)
So the 2000 game was so many things rolled together: a curbstomping as revenge for all the years scUM cheated and beat us, the final home game for one of the greatest teams in MSU's history, clinching the B1G title, the sendoff as the team began its march to the national title, Mateen writing his name in the record books, and on and on.
As an objective matter, last night's win certainly had a higher degree of difficulty. But it can in no way compare to what the 2000 game meant to MSU as a program and to the fans at the time.
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